# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 265
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5291 "2025-01-24T00:01:10Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > Please read TroutMan’s post again. 80% is 30% if you turn the 3 into an 8 with a Sharpie! ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5292 "2025-01-24T00:01:22Z")
Or he could read his own cite ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5293 "2025-01-24T00:13:43Z")
From that same study: > Results show police officers diverge from their jurisdictions on every attribute we measure. We find officers are far more likely to be Republican than civilians in their jurisdictions: as a share of the voting-age population, we estimate 32% of officers are Republican (vs. 14% of civilians). Officers are also less likely to identify with the Democratic party (31% vs. 43%). Officers are much more politically active than a representative group of civilians: 69% of officers voted in the 2020 general election (vs. 55% of civilians). ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5294 "2025-01-24T01:18:08Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Also, he’ll have challenge coins struck (purchase price: $199.99) so that J6ers can celebrate each other and get free drinks from other would-be insurrectionists. ‘and after all, you won’ [Blood Order - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Order) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5295 "2025-01-24T02:30:16Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Or he could read his own cite Go ahead. Give me a cite. Show me where is says that the other cops, not polled here, are - in the vast majority- MAGA. > [@Andy\_L](#): > > We find officers are far more likely to be Republican than civilians in their jurisdictions: as a share of the voting-age population, we estimate 32% of officers are Republican Yes, okay- but that still doesnt disprove that 31% are Democrats. Now does it? If you think that police officers outside that sample are a very high % MAGA, then find a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5296 "2025-01-24T02:33:29Z")
Moderating: > [@DrDeth](#): > > Go ahead. Give me a cite. Show me where is says that the other cops, not polled here, are - in the vast majority- MAGA. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, okay- but that still doesnt disprove that 31% are Democrats. Now does it? > > If you think that police officers outside that sample are a very high % MAGA, then find a cite. You need to drop this. Not only is it a hijack, but continuing to double down and claim that your cites are good when they’ve clearly been shown to be cherry picked and to not stand for what you assert is disingenuous in the extreme. Just stop. You’re dangerously close to more severe moderator action. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5297 "2025-01-24T10:22:32Z")
So the GOP will be holding their own Jan/6th hearings (so much for looking forward, not back), but for some reason they will not call star witness Cassidy Hutchinson, who IMHO was very brave in stepping forward to testify. Why not call her? Oh, the usual terrible stuff I.e. men being creepy. > **[Speaker’s aide advised against subpoena for Cassidy Hutchinson: report](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cassidy-hutchinson-subpoena-jan-6-investigation-b2685385.html)** > > Aide to Speaker Mike Johnson reportedly feared the exposure of ‘sexual texts from members who were trying to engage in sexual favors’ with Hutchinson, a former Trump loyalist who had testified about the January 6 riot ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5298 "2025-01-24T14:44:20Z")
Add in the pardons of folk interfering with abortions, and it sure seems pretty clear that he is offering carte blanche to folk who are willing to be violent and break laws - not to mention longstanding conventions of civility - in support of his agenda. Add in America’s gun culture, and it doesn’t take a huge leap to presume to possibility of increased future ugliness - sanctioned and pardoned by the Pres. ---
**Author:** ![Allecher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a6a055/32.png) [@Allecher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Allecher)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5299 "2025-01-24T14:48:29Z")
We know that citizen researchers helped identify many of the Jan 7 participants. I can only hope that those same resarchers will continue to keep an eye on them and, within legal means, make their lives inconvenient. That probably sounds petty when I say it that way, but to me it is a grassroots version of fuck around and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5300 "2025-01-24T19:14:57Z")
Damn straight. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5301 "2025-01-26T23:49:40Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > So the GOP will be holding their own Jan/6th hearings We’re going to have to keep reminding everyone of certain facts: [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:bdztu6uezufsmi4bvkqecxc4/bafkreifbugqbmmwdehzooaf4pe5ycqgmjcoi3zqrq6gorcse5cppsotwyi@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:bdztu6uezufsmi4bvkqecxc4/bafkreifbugqbmmwdehzooaf4pe5ycqgmjcoi3zqrq6gorcse5cppsotwyi@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5302 "2025-01-27T21:00:41Z")
A good start. > **[Pardoned Jan. 6 rioter shot dead while resisting arrest during traffic stop:...](https://www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/)** > > A Jan. 6 rioter pardoned by President Donald Trump was shot dead Sunday in Indiana after resisting arrest, Indiana State Police said.A deputy with the Jasper County Sheriff's Department pulled over Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart, Indiana, around 4:15... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5303 "2025-01-27T22:16:39Z")
Whoa! If I said I didn’t see that comin’ that’d be a lie. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5304 "2025-01-28T01:10:42Z")
Another J6er is now wanted by authorities for online solicitation of a minor in a case that dates back to 2016. > **[Houston man, who was pardoned in Jan. 6 riots, now wanted for online...](https://abc13.com/post/andrew-taake-pardoned-alleged-role-jan-6-2021-riots-faces-online-solicitation-charge-minor-records-show/15839204/)** > > According to court records, the 36-year-old Houston man is now wanted for an online solicitation charge of a minor. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5305 "2025-01-28T05:58:03Z")
Oh Lordy! How can this be?!? All of these people are patriots and soldiers for Orange Jesus! Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5306 "2025-01-28T11:04:30Z")
If you’re pardoned, is the crime wiped from your record or is it just amended? Can you buy a gun and vote after a pardon? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5307 "2025-01-28T13:18:44Z")
Stand by for Trump declaring that the police murdered him, ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5308 "2025-01-28T15:35:25Z")
Yep, and I removed Fox ‘News’ altogether from my YouTube TV, but I’m assuming the chyron said “Former Antifa Member Matthew Huttle (D) Killed By Rogue Officer”. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5309 "2025-01-28T22:40:07Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Pardoned Jan. 6 rioter shot dead while resisting arrest during traffic stop: police](https://www.rawstory.com/matthew-huttle/) > [@ekedolphin](#): > > Another J6er is now wanted by authorities for online solicitation of a minor in a case that dates back to 2016. He TOLD them they were above the law. And they believed it. (There will be more such stories.) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/5310 "2025-01-28T23:40:02Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If you’re pardoned, is the crime wiped from your record or is it just amended? Can you buy a gun and vote after a pardon? A pardon does not wipe out the crime from your record. However, it does restore certain civil rights, including anything related to federal firearms laws, and depending on the state, may also restore one’s right to vote. > [@](#): > > Is a presidential pardon the only way a person convicted of a federal felony offense can regain his civil rights? > > Not necessarily. Some, but not all, states have instituted procedures for restoring to their citizens certain basic civil rights, such as the rights to vote, hold office, or sit on a jury, even if the disqualifying felony conviction was incurred in federal court. A person who is considering applying for a presidential pardon solely to restore such rights may wish to contact the appropriate clemency authorities within the state of his residence to ascertain whether such a procedure exists in that state. > [@](#): > > Is a presidential pardon the only way a person convicted of a federal felony offense may regain his right to bear arms? > > Yes. At present, a presidential pardon is the only means by which a person convicted of a federal felony offense may obtain relief from federal firearms disabilities. Under Supreme Court case law interpreting federal firearms laws, a state restoration of civil rights does not remove the federal firearm disability that arises from a federal felony conviction. That relief can only be provided through action under federal law. Although 18 U.S.C. § 925(c) provides that the Attorney General may grant relief from federal firearms disabilities “if it is established to his satisfaction that . . . the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety and that the granting of the relief would not be contrary to the public interest,” there currently is no means to obtain relief through this mechanism. Since Fiscal Year 1992, Congress has prohibited the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the agency responsible for processing such requests, from spending any appropriated funds to investigate or act upon applications for such relief. Accordingly, at this time a presidential pardon is the only means by which a person convicted of a federal felony may obtain this relief. > **[Frequently Asked Questions](https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions)** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=264) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=266)