# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/522 "2021-01-13T16:29:26Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > A 2/3 vote for conviction will need 27 Republican Senators. 17 50+17 = 67 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/523 "2021-01-13T16:32:23Z")
Or some to not be in the room. 2/3 of those present. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/524 "2021-01-13T16:37:16Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I think it will be hard to find 27 of these 46 to vote in favor of convicting the man that their state just supported for president. I think you underestimate the influence that the party leader in the Senate has over the other members. He has a huge part in determining what appointments those members get, how much power they have, and what favors can be done for their states. There are some senators who will likely vote for impeachment on their own, like Romney, Sasse, Murkowski, and Collins. It’s by no means a sure thing, but it’s very possible that McConnell can get enough others in line to convict. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/525 "2021-01-13T16:37:27Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/i-feel-betrayed-ken-langone-blasts-trump-capitol-rioters-vows-biden-support.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/i-feel-betrayed-ken-langone-blasts-trump-capitol-rioters-vows-biden-support.html) > > When this greedy, ruthless dickhole turns on you, y’all might want to do some soul-searching. - This is assuming the presence of a soul. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/526 "2021-01-13T16:39:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Right, which is why I think a more telling sign is watching McConnell’s, Graham’s, et al’s behavior. It would seem like the GOP has already passed up a chance at the 25th Amendment, and I’ve not seen evidence yet that they’re treating an impeachment trial as an urgent matter I understand and share your skepticism about McConnell or Graham eventually doing the right thing and voting for conviction in the Senate. I think right now the odds are that they won’t, based on past history. But cracks are starting to form (e.g. Liz Cheney in the House, which is a _huge_ deal). But the only reason we’ve gotten even this close is that Pelosi and the Dems are pushing hard. So the “Don’t bother, it won’t go anywhere” crowd would create a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Dems were wishy-washy, Pubs would be doing nothing but ducking for cover. The only way there is a glimmer of hope is to aggressively and relentlessly push impeachment now. Give them no cover. Make them go on the record supporting the cop-killing terrorists who invaded their own house - or, hopefully, not. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/527 "2021-01-13T16:40:43Z")
So the Capitol was, one week ago today, the site of a deadly mob attack, one in which congresspeople were nearly physically assaulted, taken hostage, or murdered. And Republicans are going ape shit over increased security. Do they even want security? Seems like they like the idea of more violence and that they assume they won’t be its targets. > **[GOP lawmakers dodge metal detectors added after Capitol riots, blast them as...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/republican-lawmakers-house-metal-detectors/)** > > A group of GOP lawmakers in the House, angered by new security rules, bypassed the magnetometers or pushed past security despite setting off the alarm. Remember, folks, ignore the reports of who may or may not support impeachment; judge them by their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/528 "2021-01-13T16:43:41Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > From what exactly are they threatened that they willingly threw away their jobs and reputation for good? That’s what I don’t understand about the cult of Trump. Yeah, this is something I’ve been trying to get my head around. How hard is it for someone to think, “You know, I really shouldn’t go there behind those violent folk.” “What if I got in trouble for this?” It is going to be interesting to find out the disparate groups of people who enabled/took part in the insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/529 "2021-01-13T16:44:27Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@Cervaise](#): > > > > [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/i-feel-betrayed-ken-langone-blasts-trump-capitol-rioters-vows-biden-support.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/13/i-feel-betrayed-ken-langone-blasts-trump-capitol-rioters-vows-biden-support.html) > > > > When this greedy, ruthless dickhole turns on you, y’all might want to do some soul-searching. - > > This is assuming the presence of a soul. I wonder how many other greedy, ruthless, soulless bastards will follow this incredibly sensible line of thought: > “I’m going to do everything I can from Day One to make sure I do my part to make Joe Biden the most successful president in the history of this country,” Langone said. “There’s a selfish reason for that, we’ve got very serious major issues in American to deal with.” ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/530 "2021-01-13T16:57:00Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > [Mitch McConnell is reported to _support_ impeachment.](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-believes-trump-committed-impeachable-offenses-supports-democrats-impeachment-efforts-report) > > > > I think convicting Trump could help the Republican party. > > I agree. I made exactly the same point on another message board yesterday. > > If they vote to impeach Trump, and also ban him from seeking office again, I think that they can effectively (although not immediately) kill Trumpism as an electoral force on the national level. There will still be Trumpists around, of course, but Trump is the glue that holds these morons together, and without him I don’t think that someone like Josh Hawley can do it. Say what you like about Trump, but he has a unique style and personality that is magnetic to a particular type of embattled conservative. > > Without Trump, I think that the Republican establishment like McConnell would move to reassert themselves as the core leadership of the party. The Trumpists throughout the country would cry betrayal and there would probably be some riots and violence, but I don’t think that these idiots have what it takes to organize themselves without the Cheeto-Faced Shitgibbon rallying them together, and neither Trump’s Republican supporters (Hawley, Cruz, etc.), nor his gormless offspring, have the charisma to do it. > > Then we might be able to return to a situation where the Republicans are just garden-variety obstructionist, Democracy-hating, hypocritical assholes. Like you, I do have a bit of cautious optimism about this, heavy emphasis on the “cautious.” No major player in the GOP at the moment appears to have what it takes to recreate that special sauce that is Trumpism. I certainly can’t see Josh Hawley riling up a crowd the way Trump does. Of the party’s current crowd of rabble rousers, the only ones I can see being able to build up anything close to a Trump-like cult of personality are Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton, and even they lack that certain carnival barker quality and “don’t give a shit” badditude that so endeared Trump to his base. But, keep in mind, also, that until Trump entered the race in 2015, he wasn’t a major player in the GOP. And it wasn’t until he started winning primaries that party insiders began taking him seriously, instead of seeing him as some fringe gasbag trying to promote his brand. Chances are the next Trump-like figure is going to be someone from outside the party apparatus, someone who may not even be on most people’s political radar at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/531 "2021-01-13T17:03:28Z")
Airbnb is shutting down in & around DC until after the inauguration: > **[Airbnb to block, cancel DC bookings ahead of inauguration](https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-inaugurations-elections-virginia-hate-groups-a2d8577ed3cb315f8a134f48ff51b9e7)** > > NEW YORK (AP) — Airbnb said Wednesday it will be blocking and canceling all reservations in the Washington, D... ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/532 "2021-01-13T17:05:36Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > So if it _had_ accomplished… something? Like what? Fully interrupting the certification? Reversing the election? Whatever. If it _had_ accomplished that, then would that have been sufficient justification? Some of the rationalizations of Trump’s behavior point to all his “let’s all go down to Capitol and peacefully protest” language, as evidence that he in no way incited a riot. That may technically be true – it may be hard to prove incitement of violence in a court of law. But in an impeachment trial: he absolutely unequivocally incited the disruption of the constitutional process of certifying the election, all based on a mountain of bullshit and lies. And that’s a 100% impeachable offense. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/533 "2021-01-13T17:09:39Z")
I imagine that a lot of Republican politicians would love to see Trump banned from holding office – clear ing the field for 2024. If that doesn’t happen, the chasm between normal Republicans and MAGAts will be huge and devastating. Unfortunately for Republican politicians, the only way to get there is to vote to convict. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/534 "2021-01-13T17:14:57Z")
The “healing and coming together” is, in and of itself, inherently abusive. The problem is on one side only. This is what I think is the best analogy for the situation If your husband belittles and berates you because he does like the way you fold the towels, there is no legitimate solution that involves you working on your towel folding skills. I’ll work on my temper if you practice your towel-folding is abusive. It’s really my fault, I’ll spend every waking moment working on my temper, but, by the way, can you try to do a little better with those towels - is still abusive. It’s all or nothing. We did nothing wrong and have nothing to work on. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/535 "2021-01-13T17:22:16Z")
Cudd gets chewed. > **[FIRST ON CBS7: Midlanders Cudd and Rosa charged with misdemeanors for rioting...](https://www.cbs7.com/2021/01/13/first-on-cbs7-fbi-arrests-jenny-cudd-for-rioting-at-capitol/)** > > CBS7 has learned the FBI has arrested Midlanders Jenny Cudd and Eliel Rosa for rioting at the Capitol last Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/536 "2021-01-13T17:22:57Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Newbold told ABC News. “I am not a terrorist. I am not a traitor.” “Unless I could have gotten away with it…” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/537 "2021-01-13T17:24:36Z")
There is a column I like called Comic Strip of the Day where the writer takes some editorial cartoons and comic strips and writes a column around a theme. Today’s theme is this abusive relationship between the Republicans and the country that you have described. I especially like the Marc Murphy cartoon: I think it is very poignant. [http://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2021/01/13/csotd-the-nation-that-walked-into-doors/](http://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2021/01/13/csotd-the-nation-that-walked-into-doors/) ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/538 "2021-01-13T17:36:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The “healing and coming together” is, in and of itself, inherently abusive. This. And regarding McConnell cum suis, I’d like to quote Maya Angelou: When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Psychopathic narcissists will always promise you the world when you’re about to split. They feed on you. And be back to their previous behavior when they think they’ve ensnared you again. It quickly turns into a vicious cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/539 "2021-01-13T17:47:37Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > 17 > 50+17 = 67 Man. My math skills have severely deteriorated with old age. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/540 "2021-01-13T17:58:29Z")
> [@Drsunflower1](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > The “healing and coming together” is, in and of itself, inherently abusive. > > This. And regarding McConnell cum suis, I’d like to quote Maya Angelou: > When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. > > Psychopathic narcissists will always promise you the world when you’re about to split. They feed on you. > And be back to their previous behavior when they think they’ve ensnared you again. It quickly turns into a vicious cycle. A cycle of hope. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/541 "2021-01-13T18:01:38Z")
Hope and crushed hope. And a mixture of emotions and neurotransmitters far more addictive than love. That’s the killer IMHO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=28)