# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/562 "2021-01-13T20:04:50Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > “I would like to express to you just a cry for clemency, as you understand that my life now has been absolutely turned upside-down,” Newbold told ABC News. “I am not a terrorist. I am not a traitor.” This sounds very much like he’s sorry for the consequences of his actions _to himself_, not that he’s acknowledging that he was misguided and that his actions _were_ traitorous. We need to come down especially hard with the full force of the law on anyone in the military or law enforcement who participates in or colludes with illegal violent acts of any kind, and most especially sedition and insurrection. In a civilized society, the state has a monopoly on violence, and the agents to whom the state grants license to enforce the law and the security of the people are in a position of immense power and privilege. It’s appropriate to hold them to a higher standard of duty. We may go through some tough times, but I think the only way we are ultimately at risk of failure as a nation is with the collusion of the military. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/563 "2021-01-13T20:07:37Z")
😆 > **[Middlebury College revokes Rudy Giuliani's honorary degree](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-new-york-new-york-city-media-social-media-46361cf626918ce16ed5ec439772b782)** > > MIDDLEBURY, Vt. (AP) — Middlebury College has revoked an honorary degree it awarded to Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, the school said Tuesday. The school awarded the degree to Giuliani in 2005 in recognition of his... ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/564 "2021-01-13T20:08:39Z")
Mo Brooks has released a 2800 word statement claiming he wasn’t involved in planning a riot. I will post the link shortly but before you click on it, I want you to remember that this statement was, presumably, written and approved by actual adults, for whom English is a first language, and who presumably have mostly received post-secondary educations. [https://brooks.house.gov/media-center/news-releases/congressman-mo-brooks-rebuts-vicious-scurrilous-fake-news-media-and](https://brooks.house.gov/media-center/news-releases/congressman-mo-brooks-rebuts-vicious-scurrilous-fake-news-media-and) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/565 "2021-01-13T20:13:51Z")
Ddamn, is _that_ the standard level of education & coherence for Alabama politicians? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/566 "2021-01-13T20:16:17Z")
Wow, you ain’t kiddin’. I guess this falls under “know your audience”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/567 "2021-01-13T20:16:49Z")
Exactly. Pence may have ambitions beyond this year but even if he doesn’t, he seems done with Trump and McConnell’s politics and his approach are more aligned with Pence’s. I also can’t help but think that Republicans with a brain are genuinely fearful of Trump and what he might do next. They’re just waiting for the shit storm to pass, hoping it will pass but cautious at the same time. Trump’s popularity has declined considerably this last week or two, but they also know that ex-presidents almost always become more popular once they’re gone. ---
**Author:** ![Ziberian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/919ad9/32.png) [@Ziberian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ziberian)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/568 "2021-01-13T20:19:04Z")
This morning I briefly saw a mention that a representative claimed she saw reconnaissance tours being led through the Capitol on Jan 5th. I can’t recall whether I saw this on TV or online, or who the representative is, and I don’t see any current headlines about it so I apologize for no link. But, if true, this would explain how the raiders found Pelosi’s office so easily. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/569 "2021-01-13T20:19:41Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Mo Brooks has released a 2800 word statement claiming he wasn’t involved in planning a riot. It’s very hard to take seriously a diatribe that keeps repeating the phrase “Socialist Democrats.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/570 "2021-01-13T20:19:43Z")
…whole lotta crazy right there! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/571 "2021-01-13T20:19:55Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I have long thought and said here more than once that Oregon will be Ground Zero for this national conflict. Could Oregon just carve off some of the Eastern counties and give them to Idaho or something? I mean, meth consumption might go down, but other than that… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/572 "2021-01-13T20:20:20Z")
Oh but his tribe takes it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/573 "2021-01-13T20:21:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Exactly. > > Pence may have ambitions beyond this year but even if he doesn’t, he seems done with Trump and McConnell’s politics and his approach are more aligned with Pence’s. I also can’t help but think that Republicans with a brain are genuinely fearful of Trump and what he might do next. They’re just waiting for the shit storm to pass, hoping it will pass but cautious at the same time. Trump’s popularity has declined considerably this last week or two, but they also know that ex-presidents almost always become more popular once they’re gone. I find myself wondering if Pence’s decision to not pursue the 25th was influenced by credible death threats. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/574 "2021-01-13T20:31:04Z")
Entirely possible - wouldn’t surprise me. For a lot of Republicans who’ve been at this game a long time, they really don’t have any idea how to handle Trump. He’s like the wayward old ‘buddy’ who needed a place to crash for a month and is now living rent free, refusing to leave, drinking all their beer, fucking their wives, and laughing at threats of eviction. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/575 "2021-01-13T20:32:10Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > But, if true, this would explain how the raiders found Pelosi’s office so easily. You don’t need an insider tour to find these offices. There are maps of the Capitol interior available all over the internet, including on Wikipedia. Finding out where the House Speaker’s rooms are in the building, as well as the location of Pelosi’s Congressional office in the Longworth Building, is pretty straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/576 "2021-01-13T20:37:49Z")
> [@Rep. Jim Clyburn](#): > > And something else was going on here. My office, if you don’t know where it is, you ain’t going to find it by accident. And the one place where my name is on the door, that office is right on Statuary Hall. They didn’t touch that door, but they went into that other place where I do most of my work, they showed up there harassing my staff… They went where you won’t find my name, but they found where I was supposed to be. So something else was going on untoward here. > **[House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn speaks on violence at the Capitol](https://www.live5news.com/2021/01/08/house-majority-whip-jim-clyburn-speaks-violence-capitol/)** > > Congressman Jim Clyburn breaks silence and publicly talks about the attack on the Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/577 "2021-01-13T20:38:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Mo Brooks has released a 2800 word statement claiming he wasn’t involved in planning a riot. From his statement: > our message was hijacked by people whose illegal breach of the Capitol did a great disservice to our cause and America. > > Those who engaged in illegal conduct should be ashamed of themselves If you killed a cop, beat the shit out of more cops, took a shit in the capitol building, stole government property, well, shame on you! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/578 "2021-01-13T20:38:43Z")
> [@Ziberian](#): > > This morning I briefly saw a mention that a representative claimed she saw reconnaissance tours being led through the Capitol on Jan 5th. I can’t recall whether I saw this on TV or online, or who the representative is, and I don’t see any current headlines about it so I apologize for no link. But, if true, this would explain how the raiders found Pelosi’s office so easily. There have been several cites of this in various threads. Here’s one: > **[Rep. Mikie Sherrill says Congress members gave 'reconnaissance' tours day...](https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/12/mikie-sherrill-pro-trump-rioters-got-tour-congress-members/6648386002/)** > > Rep. Mikie Sherrill has claimed she saw congressional colleagues lead groups on "reconnaissance" surveys of the Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6 riot. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/579 "2021-01-13T21:15:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Could Oregon just carve off some of the Eastern counties and give them to Idaho or something? I mean, meth consumption might go down, but other than that… We’re trying, man, [we’re trying.](https://www.greateridaho.org/) ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/580 "2021-01-13T21:17:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Mo Brooks has released a 2800 word statement claiming he wasn’t involved in planning a riot. I couldn’t get through that whole thing, but I didn’t see mention of this accusation. He seems to have gone to the trouble of refuting accusations except this one. Mo Brooks was one of the lawmakers that the ‘Stop the Steal’ organizer claimed helped them plan the insurrection. > **[A ‘Stop the Steal’ organizer, now banned by Twitter, said three GOP lawmakers...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/ali-alexander-capitol-biggs-gosar/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=wp_politics)** > > Ali Alexander, a "Stop the Steal" organizer, said in December that he and three GOP congressmen had "schemed up" a plan to put "maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting" on Jan. 6. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/581 "2021-01-13T21:22:51Z")
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