# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/42 "2021-01-08T16:57:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I think a large part of the reason for Pence’s anger is that his wife and daughter were at the Capitol Wednesday, and they were hiding while protesters were loudly chanting his name as they tried to hunt him down so they could lynch him. Posted elsewhere earlier this morning: > [@Would ex-President Trump run in 2024?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/would-ex-president-trump-run-in-2024/840373/30): > > With the recent happenings, I hope if Trump does run in 2024, every potential running mate who wouldn’t be toxic in a national election would be smart enough to realize that everyone – yes, even them – will eventually be tossed under the bus and tell him to fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/43 "2021-01-08T17:09:33Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I can’t find the post ( I’ve written a lot in the last two months and it’s hard to find it ) but sometime either right before or right after the election I posted in one of the “Will Trump end up in jail?” threads. Maybe this one? Quite prescient. From your post: > [@](#): > > I think he’s going to cause some big-assed problems. > Maybe they can talk him into leaving early, which may be the best option for Republicans ( Frankly, the best option for Democrats is if babyTrump pees on the GA senate race by signaling his supporters not to show up, because Senate Republicans didn’t help him steal the election.) Maybe they’ll have to article 25 him. How long would it take the house majority and 67 senators to impeach him if they were all on board.? > [@What will happen in the next 10 weeks?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-the-next-10-weeks/925002/35): > > I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he didn’t give himself a blanket pardon. But I disagree about the likelihood of him needing it. It’s going to be difficult to charge him with crimes over anything he did in office. The situation is unique, there’s no precedent. There might be some conspiracy charges, but we all know there’s a reason Trump has never been criminally prosecuted, and it’s not that he’s not a criminal. He’s good. He knows how to shield himself. And frankly, he’s not so much corrupt… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/44 "2021-01-08T17:32:00Z")
Thanks for looking, probably the second one. I write a lot of stuff and post it to different forums. Sometimes I write it directly in the forum and sometimes I write it off-line and paste it to various forums - sometimes altering and editing differently for different groups. So sometimes it’s hard for me to remember exactly what I posted where. It’s starting to look like my November predictions have a pretty good track record in general (probably my biggest error was thinking he would spend less time on “I won, no matter what the fake news says” and more time trying to discredit and arrest Biden. Although who knows what happened behind the scenes.) I first speculated Article 25 on November 8th. I don’t know how, after four years, anyone would think that Trump was going to admit defeat ever but hope springs eternal, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/45 "2021-01-08T17:32:33Z")
Not sure if it’s been suggested already but an impeachment would presumably push at the split in the Republican party even in the event that it fails. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/46 "2021-01-08T17:38:21Z")
On some possible consequences. Impeachment > **[Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee introduces articles of impeachment against President...](https://www.khou.com/article/news/politics/sheila-jackson-lee-introduces-articles-of-impeachment-against-president-donald-trump/285-a23b7a1a-b7c4-4080-96b9-81208c6f3882)** > > The move comes a day after pro-Trump supporters infiltrated the U.S. Capitol in Washington D.C. Possible criminal charges > **[Justice Dept. Open to Pursuing Charges Against Trump in Inciting Riot...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/justice-department-trump-capitol.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage)** > > The top federal prosecutor in Washington said investigators were examining anyone involved, “not only the people who went into” the Capitol. Amendment to the Constitution limiting pardon power of the President [https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-joint-resolution/4/text/ih?overview=closed&format=txt](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-joint-resolution/4/text/ih?overview=closed&format=txt) ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/47 "2021-01-08T17:39:28Z")
Excellent post. And I _love_ this: > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And their only excuse, and the one that half the American people will buy…is that they only intended to _intimidate_ the legislature. I heard something similar, and, of course, the missing joker from this house of cards is, intimidate them to do what? Overturn the electoral count? Part A plus part B equals insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/48 "2021-01-08T17:55:35Z")
Mitch unfriending Trump. Pretty convenient timing really. Trump’s power is gone in a few days, so Mitch would have to move on anyway. > **[Mitch McConnell reportedly never wants to speak to Trump again after the...](https://www.businessinsider.com/mcconnell-doesnt-want-to-speak-to-trump-again-capitol-riots-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > McConnell is one of several senior Republicans who have broken ranks with Trump after he incited a violent insurrection at the Capitol. Some Trumpers feeling betrayed after Trump said the rioters should go to prison. > **[Donald Trump fans cry betrayal as he rebukes Capitol violence](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/08/trump-incites-anger-among-acolytes-let-down-by-lack-of-support)** > > On Parler and 4chan Trumpists write of feeling ‘like puking’ as president says those who ‘broke law will pay’ How does a Chicago tech CEO find himself arrested for going into the Capitol during a riot? > **[A Chicago tech CEO was arrested and charged with unlawful entry at the US...](https://www.businessinsider.com/chicago-tech-ceo-arrested-capitol-riots-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > Bradley F. Rukstales has been the CEO of Cogensia, a Chicago-area marketing data company, for 19 years. He's donated thousands to Republican causes. ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/49 "2021-01-08T18:06:18Z")
Once again, the story of the thief who isn’t sorry he stole, but is very sorry that he got caught. Inverness is quite a wealthy village/town, but this jamoke could only donate $250 to Jeanne Ives??? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/50 "2021-01-08T18:11:56Z")
Gee, Pence is sore at being thrown under the bus after all these years of licking his boots. If only there was something Mikey could do to retaliate. I can’t put my finger on it… but the number 25 keeps coming to me for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/51 "2021-01-08T18:14:33Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Some Trumpers feeling betrayed after Trump said the rioters should go to prison. Maybe, and I don’t hold out much hope, but _maybe_, this will be a lesson to those who support wannabee fascists. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/52 "2021-01-08T18:35:43Z")
It seems there is a growing possibility of a 2nd impeachment in the House. I know there are many here who think this is not a good idea, but I disagree. I think they MUST do it. 1. It will put on record those House Republicans who support the rioters who tried to break into the Joint Session the other day to shut down government and possibly take hostages. 2. It will indicate that the House does not stand for Trump’s actions. If these actions (organizing a rally, lying about the election results and encouraging the rioters to go to the Joint Session of Congress to overturn the election), do not constitute and impeachable offense, then what does? So Trump only has 2 weeks left in his term. So what? He’s still president, and must still face accountability for his actions 3. It will force the current Senate leadership to either vote to keep the deranged lunatic in power for 2 weeks, during which time he can do anything he wants including launch nukes at Iran OR To stall and ignore a vote which means keeping the deranged lunatic in power for two weeks. Essentially, it is the House RESPONSIBILITY to do this. Politics or optics be damned. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/53 "2021-01-08T18:41:06Z")
The man who was in the speakers office and stole her mail, has been arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/54 "2021-01-08T18:55:19Z")
Oh, Mitch is soooo mad at Trump that he doesn’t want to speak to him. If Trump makes him any madder, maybe he’ll actually scowl at him, maybe even hard. And Pence needs to think hard and remember that it was pretty much just luck that the mob didn’t get hold of him, his wife or his daughter. The conservatives, as they always do right after Trump gets caught doing something serious, are recalibrating their moral compasses? Removing Trump would be a _ridiculous_ move, hasn’t he been persecuted enough. Maybe he should’ve chosen his words more carefully, but that’s not his fault. And liberals have been mean to Trump supporters, so it’s their fault. And we still have 75 million people that voted for the losing candidate and they’re angry and hurting because no one in the history of this nation has ever voted for a losing candidate before so we must do something for them like letting them take a dump in a Congressional office. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/55 "2021-01-08T18:56:51Z")
The best thing to come out all of this is Trump’s legacy is well and truly done. History will remember him as a treasonous president who incited a violent coup on his way out of office. That’s going to be the big thing that the history books are going to record. That and possibly the number of Americans he killed through (at best) ineptness during SARS-CoV-2. But he will definitely be labelled as a seditionist by history. The Trump name is now garbage. I think he will be remembered in a fashion akin to Benedict Arnold. And while I hate that this attempted coup happened, I’m glad that he will wear it now and forever. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/56 "2021-01-08T19:02:10Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > The best thing to come out all of this is Trump’s legacy is well and truly done. History will remember him as a treasonous president who incited a violent coup on his way out of office. You just hope this is the Last Big Thing he does. He could decide tomorrow that he isn’t going to sit back and let a peaceful transfer of power take place. Nothing is ever settled or resolved in his mind. If he reads enough Tweets calling him an impotent beta cuck for giving in to the RINOs, his rage will grow. Sure feels like the end of the road–but are you positive there aren’t 20 min left in the movie? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/57 "2021-01-08T19:03:54Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Oh, Mitch is soooo mad at Trump that he doesn’t want to speak to him. If Trump makes him any madder, maybe **he’ll actually scowl at him** , maybe even hard. My bold. How will we tell? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/58 "2021-01-08T19:05:12Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > History will remember him as a treasonous president who incited a violent coup on his way out of office. That’s going to be the big thing that the history books are going to record. I hope so. But it does depend on who turns out to be writing the history books. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/59 "2021-01-08T19:06:00Z")
Word is that pence is heading to the White House to talk to trump. Who would like to be the fly on the head (this needs to be the new catch phrase) for this meeting? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/60 "2021-01-08T19:07:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Oh, Mitch is soooo mad at Trump that he doesn’t want to speak to him. If Trump makes him any madder, maybe he’ll actually scowl at him, maybe even hard. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xdq9B7OZ01s/maxresdefault.jpg "You have made me very angry!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdq9B7OZ01s) ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/61 "2021-01-08T19:11:39Z")
I’m starting to become less concerned about this. Trump never does anything himself, he makes other people do it. His authority in the WH is collapsing and I’m not sure he can find anyone to do something for him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=4)