# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/582 "2021-01-13T21:31:25Z")
[House Democrats are asking for an investigation](https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/13/metro/members-congress-want-high-number-capitol-visitors-day-before-riot-probed-say-only-lawmaker-or-staffer-couldve-granted-them-access/) into the “unusually high” number of visitors in the Capitol on Jan. 5. Some key quotes: > Wednesday’s letter from the lawmakers said many of them and their staffers noticed “an extremely high number” of outside groups in the Capitol the day before the riot, which seemed odd since public tours ended in March of 2020 owing to the COVID-19 pandemic. > The lawmakers called for an investigation on the ties between the suspicious visitors on Jan. 5 and the riot the next day. In addition, the letter said the Jan. 5 visitors could’ve only gained access to the Capitol through a member of Congress or their staff. The clear implication here is that some GOP house members had insurrectionists in the Capitol as their guests the day before the assault. It will be interesting to see what, if any, evidence of that exists in visitor logs, videos, etc. I hope this is followed up on vigorously. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/583 "2021-01-13T21:37:32Z")
That reads as the world’s worst defense from a 5 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/584 "2021-01-13T21:37:55Z")
Looks like the final vote passes 231 - 197. Dems: 221 Yes, 0 No, 1 NV Pubs: 10 Yes, 197 No, 4 NV Only 10 Republican Yes votes. Absolutely shameful. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/585 "2021-01-13T21:38:49Z")
232 to 197 with 10 republican voting aye, 4 republicans did not vote. 1 democrat squeaked in at the last second. the president is impeached. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/586 "2021-01-13T21:40:05Z")
Thank god. We got our second dose, so now we’re immune. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/587 "2021-01-13T21:41:01Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > up to 9 votes to impeach from republicans. That’s a start. Should have been many more. The Republicans keep yapping about how impeachment is just dividing the nation even more, but if all of the Republicans actually did the right thing and voted for it, this would, in itself, dramatically reduce the partisan divisions over the issue. I quite like [this argument](https://reason.com/volokh/2021/01/13/make-impeachment-as-bipartisan-as-possible/) about making the impeachment process itself more bipartisan. I think it would, as the author suggests, be a good idea for Pelosi to put a one of the Republicans who voted in favor of impeachment on the team that is going to argue the impeachment in the Senate. I also think it would be good for this team, during the impeachment trial, to call as witnesses some of the (rather large number of) conservative legal scholars who support impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/588 "2021-01-13T21:42:32Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the president is impeached. like a dog! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/589 "2021-01-13T21:44:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Could Oregon just carve off some of the Eastern counties and give them to Idaho or something? I mean, meth consumption might go down, but other than that… Happily, gladly. Unfortunately, a significant number have radicalized on the west side, too. Very unpleasant, selfish people. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/590 "2021-01-13T21:49:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is why I’m still skeptical of reports that McConnell is supposedly pleased Trump is being impeached. Time to put up or shut up, Cocaine Mitch: start the trial tomorrow, and then you’ll make a believer out of me. You’re right. McConnell won’t do it. He told Schumer he won’t reconvene early. No explanation that I saw except that Trump wouldn’t be out before inauguration anyway. [https://www.axios.com/senate-impeachment-trial-date-a4f9ed1a-e458-4879-af80-23af2f4438e3.html?utm\_source=twitter&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=organic&utm\_content=1100](https://www.axios.com/senate-impeachment-trial-date-a4f9ed1a-e458-4879-af80-23af2f4438e3.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100) > [@](#): > > McConnell’s team informed Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer’s office on Wednesday that McConnell would not consent to reconvening the Senate immediately under the 2004 emergency authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/591 "2021-01-13T21:53:23Z")
Folks, it might seem quieter but please don’t get fooled again: > **[Mix of extremists who stormed Capitol isn't retreating](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-siege-race-and-ethnicity-ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-80e309418abecd0b1d50ec4762e6d9c6)** > > BOISE, Idaho (AP) — As rioters laid siege to the U.S. Capitol, the seat of American democracy became a melting pot of extremist groups: militia members, white supremacists, paramilitary organizations, anti-maskers and fanatical supporters of... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/592 "2021-01-13T22:00:34Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > No explanation that I saw except that Trump wouldn’t be out before inauguration anyway. This gives McConnell some significant pressure to hold over Trump in his last few days… McConnell has Trump’s balls in his fist. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/593 "2021-01-13T22:06:09Z")
Thank you for that visual. Now I have to go gouge my eyes out with a grapefruit spoon. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/594 "2021-01-13T22:11:21Z")
Oh, I’m well aware we are only at the beginning of something. A large number of people see this as a religious crusade, and they’ve been groomed for this moment since childhood. If you don’t know why I’m saying this, it goes to what I posted in , I believe, post 519 (or 518), my long post in that vicinity) of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/595 "2021-01-13T22:19:07Z")
Can you imagine **any** political crime Trump could commit for which a decisive number of Republicans in Congress would vote to impeach him? I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/596 "2021-01-13T22:20:09Z")
You would have been on my “least likely to need to read this” list had I made one, **Ann**. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/597 "2021-01-13T22:21:14Z")
At this point I cannot imagine any _crime_ Trump could commit for which a decisive number of Republicans in Congress would vote to impeach him. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/598 "2021-01-13T22:24:30Z")
Republicans thinking of badmouthing Trump are aware that a majority of Republicans support him. Up to 90%, although in that survey only 28% said they were Republicans with more people now claiming to be non-partisan or Independent. However, many leading Republicans do not want to run against him in 2024. These may account, in part, for the ten Republicans who voted to impeach. Although it is perhaps unclear whether Trump would be found guilty, in legal terms, of inciting an imminent riot, it always makes sense not to sleep and sh\*\* in the same place. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/599 "2021-01-13T22:30:11Z")
[Olympic swimmer Klete Keller has been charged:](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-politics-adam-kinzinger-liz-cheney-impeachments-2a2431b25720b8815727d4e2fe4e9062) > [@](#): > > Five-time Olympic swimming medalist Klete Keller has been charged with participating in a deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol after video emerged that appeared to show him among those storming the building last week. > > An FBI complaint, citing screenshots from the video, asked that a warrant be issued charging Keller with knowingly entering a restricted building without lawful authority and attempting to impede an official government function. Keller was charged Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/600 "2021-01-13T22:31:26Z")
Hawley crawled out from under his rock long enough to say some things: > **[Hawley, facing fallout, blames media, D.C. 'establishment'](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-kansas-city-michael-brown-st-louis-baa4df27766978227af532d63b19a96b)** > > O'FALLON, Mo. (AP) — Republican Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley, facing waning support from longtime backers and donors in the wake of the attack at the U.S. > [@](#): > > “This time around, anyone who objected has been called an ‘insurrectionist,’” he wrote. “Sadly, much of the media and many members of the Washington establishment want to deceive Americans into thinking those who raised concerns incited violence, simply by voicing the concern. That’s false. And the allegation itself is corrosive and dangerous.” Brazen, isn’t he? IOKIARDI, right Josh? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/601 "2021-01-13T22:48:18Z")
“And it does not count as insurrection, because the flag did not have a gold fringe on it.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=31)