# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/663 "2021-01-14T18:32:18Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > “Yes, officer, I came home and found that my husband had stabbed himself in both eyes with my stiletto heels and shoved my hot curling iron up his ass.” (wipes tear) “Also, here are the passwords to all his social media and cloud storage accounts. Bye.” Someone needs to write that book. What’s the title going to be? Trumped to Death Kind of works on both levels. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/664 "2021-01-14T18:36:36Z")
May he be assigned to an eternity of public service, as prophesized by _Beetlejuice_. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/665 "2021-01-14T18:45:01Z")
Makes me sad to see anyone pushed to suicide. You know something was not going right in his life to begin with. This was just the tipping point I guess. And his poor wife. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/666 "2021-01-14T18:46:19Z")
Yeah, look, I get that some people are in denial and don’t want to accept it. I wasn’t trying to say that all registered Republicans are evil, but they are supporting evil if they are still registered and voting Republican, and there’s no excuse not to know that now. In reality, there hasn’t been for a while. People have an ability to compartmentalize certain things, which can be dangerous. “I came for the tax cuts” should be the meme of the Republican party, because it sums up much of the thinking. “Hey, I just joined because I wanted more money in my pocket - what’s wrong with that?” Nothing – until you support a party that is actively involved in trying to nullify the will of tens of millions of voters. The Republican party represents the kind of majoritarian political party that you’d find in Poland or Hungary right now, not something you’d find in Canada or Western Europe. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/667 "2021-01-14T18:51:40Z")
They need more evidence, but I suspect they got him. Looking at video, they may not have enough evidence yet to definitively tie him to the crime. Now that he’s in their custody, they’ll probably gather a treasure trove of digital evidence to pinpoint his exact location at the time of the incident. They may also need to determine if it’s “murder” or “manslaughter” or an equivalent under the law. My hunch is that this guy is fucking fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/668 "2021-01-14T18:54:41Z")
If it is him, I’ll wager it will be a murder 1 charge, and the prosecutor will seek the death penalty. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/669 "2021-01-14T19:05:37Z")
I have no idea what you are getting at here. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/670 "2021-01-14T19:10:50Z")
Republicans are trying to paint Democrats as Fred McMurrays who used the President’s failings as a political tool instead of giving him the support he needed to overcome those failings. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/671 "2021-01-14T19:13:22Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The dumbest thing the Republican Party ever did was quelch the IRS investigation into Tea Party groups, it gave them cover for a massive grift scheme and they probably would’ve won if they hadn’t stolen most of the money they raised. The GOP did no such thing. Yes, they yelled and screamed and turned blue, so yeah, the iRS pulled back some but the iRS doesnt take orders from the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/672 "2021-01-14T19:18:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > they yelled and screamed and turned blue, so yeah, the iRS pulled back some but the iRS doesnt take orders from the GOP. I’m not following this statement. If the IRS “pulled back some” because the GOP “yelled and screamed and turned blue”, how is that not taking orders from the GOP? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/673 "2021-01-14T19:21:49Z")
There is no agency or bureaucracy that is completely immune to political agency. I don’t think Ann\_Hedonia was suggesting that McConnell or Trump had IRS agents on speed dial and phoned them up, but let’s not pretend that Trump, with some nudging from others, influence the IRS. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/674 "2021-01-14T19:22:30Z")
If a customer comes into your store and makes a scene, even tho he is wrong, and you manager throws him a bone, are you taking orders from that customer? or just throwing him a bone to make him go away? The issue was- the IRS was short on staff, so picked “Non-profits” with suspicious and right wing names to audit first. So, they just went back to their regular way of picking which NPs to audit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/675 "2021-01-14T19:24:57Z")
Influence? Yes. But trump cant order the IRS to, for example- audit someone or give him confidential tax return information. Nixon tried that and the IRS said no. The IRS, in its day to day activities, is above politics. Of course Congress can pass new Tax law which is highly political in nature, but they have to pass a law. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/676 "2021-01-14T19:57:36Z")
He’d be ok, he would need to be an extremely good shot to blow his brain out ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/677 "2021-01-14T20:02:12Z")
I await your upcoming bestseller eagerly. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/678 "2021-01-14T20:02:52Z")
In _The Caine Mutiny_, Queeg should _never_ have been put in a position of command in the future place. Likewise, Trump should never have gotten _near_ the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/679 "2021-01-14T20:46:09Z")
Trump has been working towards the 6th and the 20th (or whatever days in the future could happen) for years: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/l90fLPal198/maxresdefault.jpg "How Trump Has Incited Violence for Years") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l90fLPal198) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/680 "2021-01-14T20:53:02Z")
The Latest: Man photographed with Confederate flag arrested > **[The Latest: Prosecutors: Arkansas man beat cop with flagpole](https://apnews.com/article/biden-inauguration-joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-trials-51724515807426d0d7adb2dd57093fd8)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on President Donald Trump's impeachment and the fallout from the Jan. 6 attack of the Capitol by pro-Trump loyalists (all times local): > [@](#): > > Prosecutors say a Delaware man photographed carrying a Confederate battle flag during a deadly riot in the U.S. Capitol has been arrested after authorities used the image to help identify him. > > Federal prosecutors say Kevin Seefried, who was seen carrying the flag, was arrested in Delaware along with his son Hunter Seefried. Prosecutors say both entered the Senate building through a broken window. > > They were charged with unlawfully entering a restricted building, violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds and degradation of government property. > > Court documents say the men were identified after the FBI was told by a coworker of Hunter Seefried’s that he had bragged about being in the Capitol with his father. > > No one answered the phone Thursday afternoon at a number listed for them. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/681 "2021-01-14T20:57:13Z")
> [@News story](#): > > Court documents say the men were identified after the FBI was told by a coworker of Hunter Seefried’s that he had bragged about being in the Capitol with his father. This takes idiocy to a new level, assuming this happened at work. I would understand bragging immediately after the event but after seeing the outcry don’t you think you should lay low? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/682 "2021-01-14T21:04:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > If a customer comes into your store and makes a scene, even tho he is wrong, and you manager throws him a bone, are you taking orders from that customer? Yes, that is exactly what is happening there. I think that the investigations and forced resignations of IRS personnel for doing their jobs probably had more to do than actual political pressure. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=35)