# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/683 "2021-01-14T21:14:10Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > His latest speech makes it 100% clear that he is capable of coherence. Do you mean the one he was probably handed and told to read word for word? He can do that, yes. I don’t know that he’s capable of coherence once he goes off track. > [@DrDeth](#): > > the IRS was short on staff, so picked “Non-profits” with suspicious and right wing names to audit first IIRC, non-profits with suspicious names from all across the political spectrum. The right wing claimed it was right wing organizations only; but I don’t believe that it was. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/684 "2021-01-14T21:23:12Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > Trump has been working towards the 6th and the 20th (or whatever days in the future could happen) for years: Excellent video, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/685 "2021-01-14T21:25:00Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > His latest speech makes it 100% clear that he is capable of coherence. Thorazine is a helluva drug. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/686 "2021-01-14T22:35:53Z")
Sen. Rounds (R-SD) thinks there’s no need to impeach Trump: > **[Sen. Rounds calls impeachment 'moot' for 'tarnished' Trump](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-capitol-siege-donald-trump-south-dakota-impeachments-480ad4a7951712756923cd461b66bc71)** > > PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — Sen. Mike Rounds on Thursday said he believes the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump is moot, signaling that he wanted the Senate to drop the trial after Democrat Joe Biden's inauguration. > [@](#): > > Rounds, a Republican from South Dakota, told The Associated Press that Trump “tarnished his place in history” by misleading his supporters and encouraging the mob that stormed the Capitol. But Rounds argued the purpose of impeachment is to remove a president, and since Trump will soon leave office, the impeachment trial [may not be allowed](https://apnews.com/article/who-presides-at-trump-trial-004522dcdeb296e8b86d3bc85a533b5d) by the Constitution. > > Rounds called a vote to convict Trump “hypothetical,” saying he would rather see the Senate focus on confirming members of Biden’s cabinet. > > “I think if the question is moot, I don’t see a reason to convict,” he said. Then he said something _really_ fucking stupid (that is destined to come back to hurt us if Trump’s impeachment is not upheld by the Senate) because it’s a reason to convict: > [@](#): > > Rounds said he hopes Trump’s political career is over. Don’t HOPE! Make it happen, you weasel! _MAKE_ HIS CAREER BE OVER! Convict him so he can be barred from elected office ever again! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/687 "2021-01-14T22:40:03Z")
Rudy, with brown coloring running down his face; Trump, with orange coloring running down his, both sweating profusely and popping pills. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/688 "2021-01-14T22:42:48Z")
at Tanagra. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/689 "2021-01-14T22:56:20Z")
It wasnt but mostly. Look, they tried to cut corners and didnt follow procedures, so there was a valid complaint. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/690 "2021-01-14T23:13:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > MLB says “enough”: Huh. I finally found something to like about baseball. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/691 "2021-01-14T23:57:26Z")
Here’s an article on the Tea Party PAC’s. I don’t have any information specifically regarding how aggressively the IRS investigated the Tea Party. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-death-214164](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-death-214164) Given how grift-ridden the groups were, it seems that maybe the IRS wasn’t as aggressive as they should’ve been. But the larger point I was trying to make is this lack of attention ultimately _ **hurt** _ the Republican cause, and started a culture of grift. Now, campaign finance laws are so weak that there’s a lot of grift that’s technically legal, but also a lot that isn’t. Here’s another good article, one I like to cite it because it’s from a conservative source. > **[The Right’s Grifter Problem | National Review](https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-real-problem-conservatism-faces-today/)** > > No, the answer is not David French. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/692 "2021-01-15T12:24:12Z")
There are so many threads going now I’m not sure where to post this. Anyhoo, this is batshit nuts, but sadly, not surprising. Now that trump is off virtually all social media, his acolytes have taken to searching for hidden meanings in his old tweets and the few new statements of his that are getting out. > **[Trump backers seek clues in speech - San Antonio Express, 1/15/2021](http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/SanAntonioExpressNews/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=SAEN%2F2021%2F01%2F15&entity=Ar01301&sk=A443F1F8&mode=text)** > > San Antonio Express - 1/15/2021 > WASHINGTON — Shortly after President Donald Trump was impeached a second time, he shared a five-minute video on YouTube. > > From the Oval Office, Trump “unequivocally” condemned the attack on the U.S. Capitol, saying “violence and vandalism have absolutely no place in our country and no place in our movement.” > > As the clip coursed through far-right channels, Trump’s biggest supporters struggled to make sense of the comments. “No mention of Biden’s transition,” one user wrote in a QAnon forum, suggesting that meant Trump would remain in office after Jan. 20. > > Another, hearing an echo in the recording, speculated that the president was preparing for a military takeover from a bunker. > … > > Since last week, Trump supporters have searched for signs that the president had moved to an alternate online platform, such as Gab, favored by some on the far right. Some flocked to the messaging app Telegram, which announced Tuesday that it had added 25 million new users in the previous 72 hours. > > They recirculated old tweets, searching for new clues about Trump’s intentions, as well as about world leaders willing to back his crusade against Silicon Valley. Paul Burton, an Atlanta-based follower of QAnon, explained in a phone interview that he was focused on Trump’s tweet announcing that he would not attend the inauguration, which Burton took to mean that there would be no inauguration Wednesday. > … ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/693 "2021-01-15T16:18:20Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I’m in favor of all the other impeachment punishments but I think he should keep the SS protection. The last thing we want is some left-wing wacko turning him into a martyr. I’m in favor of his Secret Service detail consisting of a blind guy in a wheelchair armed with a spork. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/694 "2021-01-15T16:38:39Z")
I’m in favor of it consisting of a pair of prison guards posted outside of his solitary-confinement cell, where they can see both him and each other at all times. I mean, we don’t want a repeat of Epstein. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/695 "2021-01-15T16:47:52Z")
General honore is to lead an examination of security. Just announced by pelosi, great choice. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/696 "2021-01-15T16:50:12Z")
Nancy Pelosi is a strong woman. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/697 "2021-01-15T17:31:42Z")
On the day Trump went to Alamo, TX, my MAGA Facebook friend shared a post on the subject with comments from all her like-minded peeps, giving us a fascinating insight into their state of mind. It was full of comments like: “I’m beginning to lose hope”. (Welcome to reality, sweetie. You’re only 2 months behind), alternating with “Something big is coming – hang in there”. So many truly delusional people out there. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/698 "2021-01-15T18:03:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > On the day Trump went to Alamo, TX, my MAGA Facebook friend shared a post on the subject with comments from all her like-minded peeps, giving us a fascinating insight into their state of mind. Here’s what dumb assholes I went to high school with had to say: [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/RakxCde.jpeg?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/dyKKC1R) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/699 "2021-01-15T18:49:53Z")
This lady can go self-love herself. > **[Texas Real Estate Agent Who Took Private Jet to Capitol Riot Is Arrested](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jenna-ryan-texas-real-estate-agent-who-flew-to-dc-on-private-jet-arrested-in-capitol-riots)** > > The Texas broker and life coach is among a slew of rioters who were charged on Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/700 "2021-01-15T19:06:38Z")
I prefer the phrase “you do you”. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/701 "2021-01-15T19:17:20Z")
So now the Daily Beast is paywalled (at least for me). 🙁 Non-paywalled version: > **[Private jet-flying rioter bragged about realtor gig during Capitol siege:...](https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/private-jet-flying-capitol-rioter-bragged-about-job-charged/)** > > The Texas real estate broker who flew on a private plane to Washington, DC, to participate in the Capitol riot last week bragged about her realtor job as she stormed the Capitol with throngs of oth… This Trumpist, apparently every bit as brilliant as all the others, is being charged largely on the basis of evidence she posted herself to social media. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/702 "2021-01-15T19:21:53Z")
Rounding out the different professions at the riot. There was a former s[chool therapist](https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2021/01/former-cleveland-schools-therapist-arrested-on-federal-charges-involving-attack-at-us-capitol.html), who is very much into conspiracy theories. A [nurse](https://www.14news.com/2021/01/15/ascension-st-vincent-nurse-loses-job-involvement-us-capitol-riots/) who is proud of her participation in the “peaceful protest” IN the capitol just lost her job. [Another politician](https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-republican-leader-forced-resign-involvement-us-capitol-siege/35221426#), the corresponding secretary of the Sacramento CA Republican Assembly just stepped down after being seen in the Capitol during the riots. More reports about racist Capitol police are being revealed. > **[“No one took us seriously”: Black cops warned about racist Capitol Police...](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/no-one-took-us-seriously-black-cops-warned-about-racist-capitol-police-officers-for-years/)** > > Allegations of racism against the Capitol Police are nothing new: Over 250 Black cops have sued the department since 2001. Meanwhile, Trump admin. staffers that don’t have name recognition are having difficulty finding jobs. > **[Trump administration staffers are getting snubbed while hunting for jobs. One...](https://www.businessinsider.com/will-anyone-hire-white-house-comms-staff-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > As the White House turns over its staff, many are finding it hard to compete after the storming of the Capitol. Yesterday, I watched an analysis by Sagaar Enjeti, conservative co-host on The Hill, surmising that the GOP is over based on [an article](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/opinion/trump-republican-party.html) by Ross Douthat in the NYT that talks about the divide in the party between reality and fantasy. He talks about the split between the MAGA and the non-MAGA. The story is only 3 days old, but it’s already feeling unlikely. Trump and MAGA are already losing traction, but the GOP losing favor does seem likely to me. > [@](#): > > But the implicit bargain of the Trump era required traditional Republicans — from upper-middle-class suburbanites to the elites of the Federalist Society — to live with a lot of craziness from their leader, and a lot of even crazier ideas from the very-online portions of his base, in return for denying Democrats the White House. And it’s not clear that this bargain can survive the irruption of all that crazy into the halls of the Capitol, and the QAnon-ification of the right that made the riot possible. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/MRC9EcS-0MY/hqdefault.jpg "Saagar Enjeti: This Could Be The END For The GOP Forever") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRC9EcS-0MY) Some support for that. [Trump’s poll numbers](https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Live-updates-U-S-Capitol-on-lockdown-as-Trump-15850771.php) continue to fall. His approval rating is down to 29%, down from 33% just a couple days ago. IIRC, when Nixon was impeached, his approval rating fell to 28%. > [@](#): > > **7:16 a.m. Trump’** **s approval rating tanks:** A new [poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/01/15/biden-begins-presidency-with-positive-ratings-trump-departs-with-lowest-ever-job-mark/) from the Pew Research Center indicates President Trump is at the lowest job-approval rating of his presidency, following his incitement of the riots at the U.S. Capitol last week. Only 29% of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing, Pew reported, while 64% of those polled expressed a positive view of Joe Biden’s conduct since he won the November election > **[Poll: Support drops for a Trump run in 2024](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-2024-poll-458256)** > > After riots at the Capitol, 40 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents back his candidacy, compared with 53 percent in November. 68% of American’s [don’t want](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/01/15/biden-begins-presidency-with-positive-ratings-trump-departs-with-lowest-ever-job-mark/) to see Trump remain as a major political figure in the future… [Another](https://kfor.com/news/local/its-no-longer-a-political-party-its-a-cult-former-oklahoma-gop-congressman-leaves-republican-party/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com) former GOP Congressman leaves the party, saying that “It’s no longer a political party. It’s a cult.” [In Tampa Bay](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/01/15/in-tampa-bay-area-2000-republicans-switch-parties-in-days-after-capitol-riot/), 2,000 Republicans switch parties after the riot, some becoming Democrats. It’s [being reported](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wants-leave-dc-as-president-not-ask-biden-plane-2021-1?utm_source=reddit.com) that Trump will be leaving DC before the inauguration so he doesn’t have to leave as an ex-President. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=36)