# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/764 "2021-01-16T20:44:41Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I think it’s at least as likely that she blames Leslie. Probably. On another board, one that leans much more to the right than this one, this story has also been reported; and the sentiment there is that “Communists urge children to report their parents! This is just the beginning of what we’ll see under a socialist-communist Democratic government!” ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/765 "2021-01-16T21:06:22Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > the sentiment there is that “Communists urge children to report their parents! This is just the beginning of what we’ll see under a socialist-communist Democratic government!” Gee, I remember back nearly twenty years ago when right-wingers in general were strongly in favor of encouraging moderate and law-abiding people report any family members whom they suspected of violent extremism and terrorist activity to law enforcement. I wonder what’s changed their minds? … ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/766 "2021-01-16T21:10:25Z")
[Baked Alaska in custardy.](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-alaska-crime-6666c735165a19a6ee019e412235bd8d) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/767 "2021-01-16T21:16:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Baked Alaska in custardy. ](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-alaska-crime-6666c735165a19a6ee019e412235bd8d) And from your link: > Gionet entered various offices and when told by law enforcement officers to move, **identified himself as a member of the media.** This is surely going to be a common defense strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/768 "2021-01-16T21:22:03Z")
> [@RyanAdam](#): > > the asahi of the board have been declaring the Republicans as fascist since 2000 so I don’t take these declarations of game over as anything more than the usual partisan hysteria This is an interesting argument. Should we call it the _reverse slippery slope_ argument or something? The syllogism is something like - “My party cannot be lost to radical extremists today, because I can find someone who falsely claimed that they were already lost to radical extremists at a point in the past when they clearly were not.” Whatever you call it, I think it’s a logical fallacy. Maybe you want call what the likes of @asahi were saying 20 years hysterical rather than prescient, but it’s not evidence that things are still recoverable today. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/769 "2021-01-16T22:04:19Z")
At least the 4th Democratic Congressperson to get Covid from Republicans not wearing masks during the riot. [Democratic representative Lou Correa](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/capitol-riot-covid-lou-correa-b1788404.html?utm_source=reddit.com) Misinformation declined dramatically (73%) after Trump banned from Twitter and other social media. Imagine if the social media companies had done this before. Would the riots have happened? > **[Misinformation dropped dramatically the week after Twitter banned Trump and...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/misinformation-trump-twitter/?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > Zignal Labs charted a 73 percent decline on Twitter and beyond following historic action against the president. Manchin [says](https://www.theblaze.com/news/ready-joe-manchin-says-senate-should-consider-using-14th-amendment-to-remove-josh-hawley-and-ted-cruz) that the Senate should consider removing Hawley and Cruz under the 14th amendment. The ship must be sinking. [Press Secretary](https://www.thedailybeast.com/press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-departs-the-white-house?ref=home) Kayleigh McEnany and [HHS Secretary](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hhs-secretary-azar-resigns-says-us-doesnt-have-reserve-vaccine-stockpile-655624) Alex Azar leave early. Azar leaves on news that there’s no vaccine reserve as they promised. Trump leaving ashes in his wake. [Trump blows up the Arizona GOP on his way out](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/16/arizona-gop-trump-459772) [Trump’s parting gift to federal workers: Thinner paychecks](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/12/trump-tax-deferral/?utm_source=reddit.com) [promised tax cut was a loan that had to be repaid] [Trump Asks Appeals Court to Let Him Dodge Rape Accuser Suit](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/trump-shouldn-t-face-rape-accuser-suit-u-s-tells-appeals-court?srnd=premium) Trump gets to take the nuclear football with him?! > **[How will the presidential ‘nuclear football’ transfer to Biden if Trump...](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/nuclear-football-trump-biden-codes-office-b1788210.html)** > > Military officials will have second 45-pound briefcase ready for Joe Biden ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/770 "2021-01-16T22:11:43Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > [HHS Secretary](https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/hhs-secretary-azar-resigns-says-us-doesnt-have-reserve-vaccine-stockpile-655624) Alex Azar leave early. Azar leaves on news that there’s no vaccine reserve as they promised. Has anyone asked Azar if he personally has had his second dose? Under the circumstances, and since he has resigned and is clearly no longer essential to continuity of government, the correct thing would be for him to forego it in favor of people who are a higher priority. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/771 "2021-01-16T22:16:22Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Trump gets to take the nuclear football with him?! I imagine it will be about as useful as a box of rocks after the administrative handover. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/772 "2021-01-16T22:20:37Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Trump gets to take the nuclear football with him?! He should not! [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/11/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-richard-nixon-215478) > The scene from the White House south lawn on August 9, 1974, is vivid in the nation’s memory. That morning, President Richard Nixon famously boarded Marine One for the final time, put on a wide grin and fired off a final double-V to the assembled crowd. > > But one of the most interesting aspects of that day is what didn’t happen on the south lawn: **Even though Nixon had more than two hours left in his tenure, the most critical tool of the modern presidency had already been taken away from him. He never noticed it, but the nuclear “football” didn’t travel with him as he boarded the helicopter, and later, Air Force One for his flight back to California.** > > In a democratic country without hereditary power, royal crowns or bejeweled thrones, the nuclear football is in some ways the only physical manifestation of our nation’s head of state. > > Yet, on that August day, it had been quietly removed from Nixon’s hands—remaining behind at the White House with the incoming commander-in-chief, Gerald Ford. > > Moreover, Defense Secretary James Schlesinger recalled years later that in the final days of the Nixon presidency he had issued an unprecedented set of orders: If the president gave any nuclear launch order, military commanders should check with either him or Secretary of State Henry Kissinger before executing them. Schlesinger feared that the president, who seemed depressed and was drinking heavily, might order Armageddon. Nixon himself had stoked official fears during a meeting with congressmen during which he reportedly said, “I can go in my office and pick up a telephone, and in 25 minutes, millions of people will be dead.” Senator Alan Cranston had phoned Schlesinger, warning about “the need for keeping a berserk president from plunging us into a holocaust.” > … My bold. Frankly, I think Nixon was saner than trump. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/773 "2021-01-16T22:35:07Z")
I wouldn’t worry about it. The “football” hasn’t held anything except a couple of expired Arby’s coupons in years. 3 years 361 days, to be precise. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/774 "2021-01-16T22:59:19Z")
Here’s a pretty good 3.5 minute recap of the lead-up to the breaches. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lfP_5L8epow/maxresdefault.jpg "Inside the Capitol Hill Riots") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP_5L8epow) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/775 "2021-01-16T23:04:00Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Trump gets to take the nuclear football with him?! My understanding is that there will be another nuclear football for Biden, so no need to wait for Trump’s (probably COVID-infested) one to come back from Florida. And the nuclear codes held by Trump will become useless after noon on the 20th. (Of course, in practical terms, the nuclear codes are useless already, since the senior chain of command wouldn’t listen to the raving idiot at this point.) ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/776 "2021-01-16T23:17:32Z")
> **[US takes back its assertion that Capitol rioters wanted to 'capture and...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/capitol-capture-assassinate-elected-officials/index.html)** > > Justice Department prosecutors have formally walked back their assertion in a court filing that said Capitol rioters sought to "capture and assassinate elected officials." Seems like they don’t want to muddy their prosecutions with allegations that will be too hard to prove. ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jungian_camisole1/32/3646_2.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/777 "2021-01-16T23:48:17Z")
> [@Insurrectionist Jenna Ryan](#): > > I do feel a little wronged in this situation because I’m a real estate agent and this has taken my company. This has taken my business. I am being slandered all over the internet, all over the world and all over the news and I’m just like a normal person. No, no, and no. You cannot support Trump and be a normal and/or good person. And she can stop playing the martyr; she did this to herself and I have no sympathy for how badly her world was turned upside down. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/778 "2021-01-17T00:24:00Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > Seems like they don’t want to muddy their prosecutions with allegations that will be too hard to prove. - “Hang Mike Pence!” isn’t enough? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/779 "2021-01-17T00:50:13Z")
It would irresponsible for prosecutors to make bold claims about attempted assassinations without evidence of intent. Wire ties, though definitely raising all kinds of hair on the backs of necks, isn’t evidence of an attempted or planned assassination. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/780 "2021-01-17T00:52:50Z")
People shouted all kinds of shit, including wanting to kill an officer with his own gun, which ultimately didn’t happen. We may well discover enough evidence to show a conspiracy to commit an assassination, but it’s critical to get the evidence in hand first before blurting it out to media. Otherwise, you play right into the hands of the alt-right conspiracy theorists. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/781 "2021-01-17T00:56:17Z")
I see what you did there! 😆 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/782 "2021-01-17T00:58:02Z")
> [@RyanAdam](#): > > Until the Schwarzenegger and Romney profile bails, yes I am sure. I wrote already that Trumpism is a zombie virus in the Party and I am no goddamn namby pamby excuse maker like Sam Stone unwilling to grapple and contributing by enabling, but the asahi of the board have been declaring the Republicans as fascist since 2000 (Moderating) Maybe you forgot, but you aren’t in the Pit. Stow the personal shots. RickJay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/783 "2021-01-17T01:04:45Z")
No one’s going to be caught off-guard this time, right? > **[‘Million Militia March’ leads far right’s plan for a ‘second round’ Sunday in...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009542)** > > The far-right extremists who overran the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 are far from done—but it’s also far from clear where they plan to strike next. That’s because the organizers of the various pro-Trump factions behind last week’s insurrection... > The far-right extremists who overran the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 are far from done—but it’s also far from clear where they plan to strike next. That’s because the organizers of the various pro-Trump factions behind last week’s insurrection can’t agree on whether to hold a fresh round of protests in state capitals around the nation, or to focus their fire on Washington, D.C., for militia-based protests beginning Sunday and perhaps extending into Inauguration Day on Wednesday. > > On the one hand, a number of far-right factions have been assiduously organizing armed protests—and possible statehouse invasions—at the Capitols of all 50 states, many of which appear to be ill-prepared for the onslaught. Yet [a number of factions](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/extremists-move-secret-line-channels-plan-inauguration-day-d-c-n1253876) are urging people to ignore those protests—even conspiratorially smearing them as “false flags”—and instead concentrate their efforts on creating a massive turnout for Sunday’s planned “Million Militia March” in D.C. > > The plans for a “Round 2” began appearing in posts within hours of the initial Capitol siege on Jan. 6. About a day later, the first announcement appeared on the currently-defunct right-wing social-media site Parler, from an account associated with the authoritarian QAnon cult, announcing a “Million Militia March” for Jan. 17. > … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=40)