# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/825 "2021-01-18T02:14:35Z")
Was gonna email Marty with hopes of a response for relaying back here, with the hopefully reassuring subject title “Patriot reaching out to you, Martin.” and body saying: "Saw you take your stand, and would like to share with you my thoughts / ideals / intense grudges. Will almost kill to deny the steel, [typo will have been intentional] yours, Tod Browning." …and was about to press send when I thought, waitwaitwaitwait - hold the phone…Maybe not the best idea to have an email of mine in an inbox that might not be the best inbox to end up in. Hopefully he might be reading this. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/826 "2021-01-18T02:23:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Band name! > > I’ve got two now from this mess: Cognitive Dissidents and Seditious Delusion. I’m already working under SD. Don’t forget the Electric Collage! (Not sure what thread that was posted in…) ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/827 "2021-01-18T02:40:57Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Would it surprise anyone if a plot to purposely infect elderly Democrats was uncovered? Nancy Pelosi in particular? Nancy (and before her, RBG) is too strong for Covid19 to take out. She’s like Chuck Norris… "“It has also been reported that the Corona virus is in self isolation for 14 days due to being exposed to Chuck Norris.” > **[PolitiFact - Chuck Norris felled by a tiny virus? Don’t believe it](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/15/facebook-posts/chuck-norris-felled-tiny-virus-dont-believe-it/)** > > Fans of "Walker, Texas Ranger" know Chuck Norris as a fighter and a survivor. And they have no reason to believe he died (Some guy who kinda looked like Norris was caught on video in the Capitol. [Chuck Norris’ Manager Insists Actor Wasn’t at the Capitol Insurrection](https://www.thedailybeast.com/chuck-norris-manager-insists-actor-wasnt-at-the-capitol-insurrection) ) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/828 "2021-01-18T03:02:25Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > (Some guy who kinda looked like Norris was caught on video in the Capitol. [https://www.thedailybeast.com/chuck-norris-manager-insists-actor-wasnt-at-the-capitol-insurrection](https://www.thedailybeast.com/chuck-norris-manager-insists-actor-wasnt-at-the-capitol-insurrection) ) Wow, that’s quite a resemblance. I’m sure Chuck was there in spirit, in any event. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/829 "2021-01-18T03:06:02Z")
His publicist said no… and, later, Chuck said No. I think he’s more like an Arnold Schwarzenegger Repub. guy than a Trumpaloompa. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/830 "2021-01-18T04:02:00Z")
One of the rioting Proud Boys was wearing a GPS monitor from an earlier violation. Not the sharpest Crayola in the box of 64. From CNN: > And a man who was captured wearing a Proud Boys T-shirt and holding up the corner of a Confederate flag on the Capitol grounds – according to an FBI agent, citing photos, in a court document – was arrested on Sunday in Maryland, the Department of Justice said. > > The document alleges that Bryan Betancur told law enforcement in the past that he was a member of several White supremacist organizations, and stated at one point that he wanted to “run people over with a vehicle and kill people in a church.” > > Betancur had been wearing a GPS monitor in connection with a previous probation violation, authorities said, and location data referenced in a charging document against him shows his presence in restricted areas of the Capitol grounds. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/831 "2021-01-18T13:36:25Z")
I’ve been wondering about this… > **[Woman Who May Have Stolen Laptop From Pelosi's Office Is Arrested](https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/18/957979421/fbi-seeking-woman-who-may-have-stolen-speaker-pelosis-laptop)** > > The FBI is investigating a claim that she intended to sell the computer to a Russian friend, who planned to then pass it to the Kremlin's foreign intelligence service. > The FBI says in an arrest warrant filed late Sunday that a woman who was part of the mob that penetrated the U.S. Capitol earlier this month may have stolen a laptop computer or hard drive from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office with the intent of funneling the device to Russia’s foreign intelligence agency. > > The bureau is seeking Riley June Williams, a Pennsylvania woman, on charges related to the Jan. 6 breach of the Capitol, including entering a restricted building, disrupting the orderly conduct of government and engaging in disorderly or disruptive conduct. > > However, the [complaint/arrest warrant](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.226160/gov.uscourts.dcd.226160.1.1.pdf) filed by the FBI’s Manassas, Va., office, says it is investigating a claim that Williams stole a laptop or hard drive from the speaker’s office. According to one witness, described as a former romantic partner of Williams, the accused " **intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence service."** > … My bold. This was a treasonous act, even though I’m guessing that the Russians already know everything that was on Nancy’s computer. Hell, they’ve got Donnie in their pocket, what do they need Nancy for? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/832 "2021-01-18T13:49:00Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > One of the rioting Proud Boys was wearing a GPS monitor from an earlier violation. To paraphrase Donald Trump _"They’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”_ ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/833 "2021-01-18T13:50:44Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Facing consequences was something that never entered into their minds, and it’s taken a lot of the steam out of their willingness to force further confrontations. The fact that they just _openly photographed and documented themselves while committing crimes_ would certainly suggest a disconnect with logic and reality. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/834 "2021-01-18T13:59:39Z")
They actually considered themselves, and probably to some extent _still_ consider themselves, the heroes in this story. It’s bananas. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/835 "2021-01-18T14:01:21Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > I think he’s more like an Arnold Schwarzenegger Repub. guy than a Trumpaloompa. I’ve observed that one of the strongest vaccines against Trumpism is ego. You really have to have a latent strain of sycophancy to fall into that crowd. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/836 "2021-01-18T14:04:42Z")
They may not reject democracy entirely; they’ll just reject it for “other tribes” - majoritarian democracy. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/837 "2021-01-18T14:09:00Z")
and entitlement. They felt entitled to be there, pushing past barriers and through doors, assaulting public officers and public officials. It’s “their” country, and some of them evens said as much. These people live in a zero-sum world, which means that if it’s their country, then certain people are necessarily excluded from having the same rights and privileges. Their belief is in majoritarianism and illiberalism, which can still be expressed democratically but not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/838 "2021-01-18T14:11:43Z")
And I bet the “unknown reason” that the plan fell through was that this woman doesn’t know anyone that has even the most remote connection to anyone Russian, much less anyone from their security services. All she knows about Russians is that they keep helping Trump cheat, so she figures they’re patriotic like her. But good on her for running her stupid yap and saying the _one thing_ that could make what she did worse by about 3 orders of magnitude, or should I say “MAGATUDE”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/839 "2021-01-18T15:08:26Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And I bet the “unknown reason” that the plan fell through was that this woman doesn’t know anyone that has even the most remote connection to anyone Russian, much less anyone from their security services. She was probably planning to put it on Craig’s list. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/840 "2021-01-18T15:13:45Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And I bet the “unknown reason” that the plan fell through was that this woman doesn’t know anyone that has even the most remote connection to anyone Russian, much less anyone from their security services. Oh, she’ll just advertise it on Craigslist “Laptop for sale. Russian KGB may be particularly interested” Done. :nijad: ---
**Author:** ![Olfatbut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a183cd/32.png) [@Olfatbut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olfatbut)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/841 "2021-01-18T16:00:09Z")
How do you get to be that old without being able to tell when you’re being bamboozled? I can only imagine what his checking account looks like. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/842 "2021-01-18T16:59:08Z")
> [@Lindsay Graham](#): > > _History_ will judge us harshly, as it should, if we do not rise to the occasion of this _historic_ moment in our _history_.” (italics mine) As if I couldn’t hate Graham any more, he comes out with this grammatical heresy, and English majors across the country ready themselves to storm his office… ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/843 "2021-01-18T17:13:43Z")
Could be dementia. My next thought was “and I hope it is, for his sake.” Dementia is a terrible terrible disease and I chastised myself for thinking it, even though it was out of mercy. But that’s where Trump has taken us, that Trumpism is roughly on par with dementia. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/844 "2021-01-18T17:14:49Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > One of the rioting Proud Boys was wearing a GPS monitor from an earlier violation. Not the sharpest Crayola in the box of 64. From CNN: He got permission to leave Maryland by telling authorities that he was going to distribute Gideon bibles. > **[Maryland Man Bryan Betancur Arrested After GPS Monitor Places Him At US...](https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-man-bryan-betancur-arrested-after-gps-monitor-places-him-at-us-capitol-during-riots-prosecutors-say/)** > > A self-professed white supremacist from Maryland was arrested Sunday after his GPS monitor placed him at the US Capitol during the riots on January 6 Taking a cue from the Beatles and _MAD_: what a Rockhead Racoon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=43)