# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/845 "2021-01-18T17:35:46Z")
I doubt it, he has been as reprehensible as this for a long old time - more like the drug of power has completely removed any vestigies of personal barriers he might have ever had ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/846 "2021-01-18T17:41:03Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > One of the rioting Proud Boys was wearing a GPS monitor from an earlier violation. Not the sharpest Crayola in the box of 64. They are “Proud Boys”, not bright boys. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/847 "2021-01-18T17:53:00Z")
Just when I thought Graham couldn’t get more craven, he did this. > **[Pelosi Aide Blasts Graham's Accusation of Speaker for Security Lapse](https://www.newsweek.com/pathetic-pelosi-aide-slams-graham-blaming-speaker-capitol-security-lapse-1562261)** > > South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham said it was House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's "job to provide Capitol security." Yes, he’s saying that Capitol security was Pelosi’s responsibility. This is the reset. Every now and then, they’ll back Trump over something so outrageous that they look back over their shoulders and gauge the distance to the top of the rabbit hole, consider backing out for a few minutes - then they regain their equilibrium, do that toxic right wing prayer thing to convince themselves that doubts about Trump are the work of the devil and they decide to push forward. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/848 "2021-01-18T18:05:59Z")
I like the way the [Daily KOS](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/17/2009980/-Lindsey-Graham-blames-Nancy-Pelosi-for-Capitol-riot-because-they-re-totally-out-of-ideas-now?pm_source=story_sidebar&pm_medium=web&pm_campaign=most-shared) put it. And I almost did a Danny Thomas spit-take when I read it with a mouthful of coffee this morning: > On the evening of January 6, in the aftermath of the Capitol riots, Donald Trump’s fave toady, Lindsey Graham, said this: “All I can say is, count me out. Enough is enough. … It is over.” > > To me that sounded like this unabashed lickspittle was giving up either the lick or the spittle or both. > > That was 11 days ago, which is apparently the maximum amount of time Graham can live outside of Donald Trump’s rectum sans life support before the “do not resuscitate” order kicks in. Because this morning on Fox News, he was dry-humping Trump’s evaporating ghost like it was still the good ol’ days. > … ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/849 "2021-01-18T19:09:34Z")
> [@Olfatbut](#): > > How do you get to be that old without being able to tell when you’re being bamboozled? You watch Fox news for hours a day, you listen to conservative talk radio, ditto, and you read/listen to trump. You become brainwashed. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/850 "2021-01-18T19:28:04Z")
Is it paranoid when the FBI is actually watching you? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/851 "2021-01-18T19:39:08Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > They actually considered themselves, and probably to some extent _still_ consider themselves, the heroes in this story. It’s bananas. As they say, everyone is the hero in their own story. With the exception of a small number of self-aware sociopaths, people generally like to think of themselves as being good. If they do something extreme, it’s either because they just had to or they rationalize it away as not really being that extreme at all. Most of these folks are just sad, deluded (including self-deluded as well as brain-washed), Conspiracy Theory-addled idiots. Some of the more functional of them are also probably genuinely nice, generous, loving people in different contexts. I once had a co-worker who flat-out nuts, prone to going off on screaming rants over minor or even wholly invented paranoid nonsense. But he was also a big-hearted guy who’d give you shirt off as back and frequently volunteered to help people with hard and quite skilled labor without a moment’s hesitation. Doesn’t make them any less dangerous unfortunately and you have to pragmatic about that. But I feel some sympathy for the otherwise decent people trapped in the web of their own dysfunctions. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/852 "2021-01-18T21:07:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And I bet the “unknown reason” that the plan fell through was that this woman doesn’t know anyone that has even the most remote connection to anyone Russian, much less anyone from their security services. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/flY5nEphdSs/hqdefault.jpg "Burn After Reading (2008). The Russian Embassy") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flY5nEphdSs) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/853 "2021-01-19T19:52:57Z")
> **[2 Guard members made extremist statements about inauguration](https://apnews.com/article/12-guard-removed-biden-inauguration-860c2c28bb3b45a28625352df50de294)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Twelve U.S. National Guard members have been removed from securing President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration after vetting by the FBI, including two who made extremist statements in posts or texts about the Wednesday event, Pentagon... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/854 "2021-01-19T20:16:42Z")
No, it’s paranoia when you’re being watched for no legitimate reason; he was just too fucking stupid to believe in something called consequences. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/855 "2021-01-19T20:17:52Z")
They’ll probably be removed from the Guard as well. I’m guessing they likely didn’t report their ties on their security forms. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/856 "2021-01-19T21:37:56Z")
Rand Paul thinks that forcing a vote to convict Trump on impeachment will split the GOP. [Yes, and?] > **[Rand Paul's dire prediction for the GOP | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/politics/rand-paul-senate-conviction-trump-gop/index.html)** > > Sometime shortly after President-elect Joe Biden is sworn in as the 46th President of the United States on Wednesday, the Senate will likely begin the impeachment trial of soon-to-be-former President Donald Trump. I haven’t seen too much about Rep. Lauren Boebert (Q-Anon conspiracy theorist) here although she’s all over the headlines. Supposedly, she told the rioters where Nancy Pelosi was during the riot. The latest is that one of her donors is asking for his donation back. > **[Giants owner Charles Johnson asks QAnon-backing Rep. Lauren Boebert for refunds](https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Giants-owner-Charles-Johnson-asks-Rep-Lauren-15880533.php)** > > San Francisco Giants owner Charles B. Johnson, criticized by many of the team’s fans... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/857 "2021-01-19T21:42:59Z")
It would be more consequential in senate races; many House districts will continue to be as ‘Trumpy’ as they’ve ever been. It’s not going to be an issue in Alabama, but potentially one in states like Ohio, PA, MI, WI, and others. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/858 "2021-01-19T21:53:12Z")
Perhaps, but if they convict him, there’s a possibility that more money will dry up and that will affect who will be willing to run. Already 20 of 30 of the biggest corporate donors have turned against the election deniers. If Trump is convicted, there might be more to follow. That list is very interesting. > **[Lawmakers who objected to election results have been cut off from 20 of their...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/19/gop-corporate-pac-funding/?utm_source=reddit.com)** > > Ten companies have taken no action to cut off donations to the campaign funds of lawmakers who objected to certifying the presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/859 "2021-01-19T22:01:29Z")
It’s interesting to note that they weren’t cut until after the riot, though. You could argue that there wasn’t an opportunity to show their cards until then, but that’s bullshit. A lot of them had already given pretty clear indications how they’d vote before hand, just like many twitter and FB users flagrantly violated the rules before the insurrection. It’s a case of donors realizing that their own fingerprints are on this mess until they take some action. I just wonder if this will still be in our consciousness 6 or 12 months from now. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/860 "2021-01-19T22:09:40Z")
I also wonder, and have wondered this for a while now, if these repercussions have less to do with the insurrection and more to do with just the fact that Trump is now out and lost power. So now it’s easier to cut out the Trump party which is maybe what they’ve wanted to do for a while. The insurrection just gave them some good cover to do it. in 6 or 12 months, it will depend on whether anyone else rises to take over the populist mantle on the right. It might be hard for Trump to do without any platform to spread his message. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/861 "2021-01-19T23:30:41Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Rand Paul thinks that forcing a vote to convict Trump on impeachment will split the GOP I suspect this is the sort of thing politicians like Rand Paul secretly hope for. The smaller the pond, the bigger bottom feeders like Rand feel. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/862 "2021-01-23T12:00:28Z")
For some reason, I read your post in my head in hbomberguy’s voice, from this video: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/RLqXkYrdmjY/maxresdefault.jpg "Climate Denial: A Measured Response") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLqXkYrdmjY) (the relevant part is about 4:10, but the link above starts earlier for context) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/863 "2021-01-23T16:49:46Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I haven’t seen too much about Rep. Lauren Boebert (Q-Anon conspiracy theorist) here although she’s all over the headlines. Supposedly, she told the rioters where Nancy Pelosi was during the riot. The latest is that one of her donors is asking for his donation back. Whatever one thinks of Boebert (she’s a scumbag) I have zero sympathy for anyone who wants a donation back. I cannot fathom the stupidity of that. The point of the donation is to help the candidate get elected. Boebert was elected. He got precisely what he paid for. The money is almost certainly spent; it’s not like the Boebert campaign can go to the company that printed the T-shirts and ask for that money back. If you find your donations were sent to what turned out to be disagreeable candidates, take the L and do your homework next time. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/864 "2021-01-23T17:42:42Z")
Do they have to pay it back? I didn’t know refunds were a thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=44)