# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/985 "2021-02-03T16:10:58Z")
Similarly, I’ve also suspected for some time that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. Of course that’s how they see the the world. But my point is that the fear is fueled by the constant hate message of right wing media. These people aren’t, for the most part, aren’t losing jobs to immigrants. Their cities aren’t being burnt to the ground by black people. They just think these things are happening because right wing media is feeding them a steady diet of immigrant caravan stories and welfare queen stories and convincing them that antifa is one block over with a flamethrower. @asahi , you do have a point about active law enforcement and Trump which I intend to come back and address later. But sometimes I don’t do everything I intend. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/986 "2021-02-03T16:16:27Z")
As someone in my forties myself, I don’t really want to wait until I die off before it’s solved either. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/987 "2021-02-03T16:22:56Z")
Yes, the EC rules, and the constitution says that the state’s legislature determines how those votes are awarded. Technically, a state may simply have a legislative vote to determine this. The only thing that they may _not_ do is to change their laws after the election. If they have a law that says that they will send the EC determined by the popular vote, and then change their minds, then SCOTUS should uphold the compact, as that was the law at the time of the election. SCOTUS may decide differently, but if they start deciding things in opposition to the constitution, then _all_ bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/988 "2021-02-03T16:30:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The only thing that they may _not_ do is to change their laws after the election. If they have a law that says that they will send the EC determined by the popular vote, and then change their minds, then SCOTUS should uphold the compact, as that was the law at the time of the election. Where are you getting that from? The [“safe harbour” provision of the Electoral Count Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act#:~:text=Safe%20harbor,-See%20also%3A%20Safe&text=Section%202%20does%20not%20require,its%20electoral%20votes%20is%20concerned.) says that if the state follows the procedure in force prior to election day, then Congress cannot reject the votes from that state except in very narrow circumstances. It doesn’t bar the state legislature from changing the way to appoint electors by a law passed after election day. Not sure if Congress has that power? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/989 "2021-02-03T16:41:32Z")
Fair enough, I suppose it doesn’t block them from doing so, it just means that their votes aren’t counted if they do. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/990 "2021-02-03T16:42:46Z")
Or that there’s a real catfight over counting them in Congress - all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/991 "2021-02-03T19:44:00Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > …turned on Fox News. Or listened to Rush on the drive to and from work. Or NewsMax or OANN or something worse, some noxious Bannon or Guiliani podcast. > > But they all started with Fox and/or Rush, even if that was a “gateway drug”. Yes, exactly. The President said it was a steal. Their senator likely said the same. Local politicians repeated the nonsense. Their TV blared the lies 24/7. Their radios not only repeated the lies but added more. They were turned into brainwashed “sheeples” (as they like to call us). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/992 "2021-02-03T19:47:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > however, in the case of the police, I can understand why some might see liberalism as a threat and a direct challenge to their culture – because it very much is. Since about 2014, more and more people have been telling police that their militarist culture needs to change and that they shouldn’t have qualified immunity to do whatever the fuck they want to do to control a suspect. Yeah, sure. Us “liberal democrats” want to cut the fat out of their budget. Sure. But those crazies were _killing cops._ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/993 "2021-02-03T19:51:23Z")
Some of them might rationalize it as, they weren’t killing cops; they were killing ‘_big government jack-boot thugs_’. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/994 "2021-02-03T19:55:46Z")
How many cops are now dead or permanently crippled due to this? Iirc one cop killed, two cops committed suicide, was there another? One cop lost a eye, that crushed guy is permanently damaged, one suffered brain injuries, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/995 "2021-02-03T19:57:52Z")
It’s okay when Republicans do it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/996 "2021-02-03T19:58:55Z")
> **[Beverly Hills Salon Owner Indicted On 7 Counts For Capitol Riot](https://patch.com/california/beverlyhills/beverly-hills-salon-owner-indicted-7-counts?fbclid=IwAR16cQNEi4Z5gpfb5hQ2eyeRUgJ8fFB34UaLB89PYYzITqTXlT-Cw3f7D_A)** > > Gina Bisignano was indicted by a grand jury Friday for participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riots. _BEVERLY HILLS, CA — Gina Bisignano, the Beverly Hills salon owner accused last month of participating in and egging on the Jan. 6 Capitol riots, was [indicted](https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1362886/download) by a grand jury on seven counts._ _Bisignano, 52, was arrested at her home in Beverly Hills on Jan. 19 on several charges, including civil disorder, destruction of government property, and violent entry or disorderly conduct, among others._ _On Friday, she was indicted by a grand jury on seven counts: Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Aiding and Abetting; Civil Disorder; Destruction of Government Property; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds; Engaging in Physical Violence In a Restricted Building or Grounds; and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building._ ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/997 "2021-02-03T22:53:13Z")
Just stumbled on this today. There’s a whole subReddit of articles and archives about the riot. So if this thread doesn’t satisfy your appetite for the topic, there’s LOTS more here at [r/CapitolConsequences](https://reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences/) They have a wiki with media, arrests, charges, job losses, investigations, etc. Today’s top headlines are that the Canadians have listed the Proud Boys as a terrorist group, FoxNews didn’t broadcast much of Officer Sicknick’s funeral live, the QAnon Shaman is still refusing to eat (so Judge ordered him some organic food), and some CA Republicans are defecting from the GOP. > **[‘It’s a total game-changer’: Canada designates Proud Boys as terrorists](https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/it-s-a-total-game-changer-canada-designates-proud-boys-as-terrorists/article_3db4b826-6cb8-52fd-abad-ceff7e50589f.html)** > > The federal government’s move to list the Proud Boys and three other white supremacist groups as terrorist organizations is being seen as a significant step to dismantling domestic extremist networks in Canada at a time when federal officials warn... > **[Fox News almost completely ignored slain officer Brian Sicknick lying in...](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-almost-completely-ignored-slain-officer-brian-sicknick-lying-honor-capitol)** > **[Judge orders jail to provide accused Capitol rioter 'QAnon Shaman' organic food](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-courts/accused-capitol-rioter-qanon-shaman-hasnt-eaten-in-days-due-to-lack-of-organic-food/article_6c263375-b8d0-5ad9-9a8e-ef782826a82f.html)** > > Clayton lawyer Albert Watkins says his client, Jacob Chansley of Arizona, hadn't eaten since Jan. 25 due to the lack of organic food in jail. [https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-GOP-defections-accelerated-after-15919586.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-GOP-defections-accelerated-after-15919586.php) And somewhat in line with the recent discussion in the thread, > [@](#): > > The apocalypse that evangelicals have been predicting for generations seems for some to have finally begun. A Biden administration, they are confident, is not only illegitimate but will also align with the forces of evil, from the U.N. to a cabal of international Jews, to persecute all true Christians. > > This segment of white evangelicals sees itself as a besieged minority, surrounded on all sides by the forces of darkness, sin, and secularism. They believe that, in the last days, governments will turn against them and their religious liberty will be quashed. Their reading of current events, from Covid-19 shutdowns to alleged election fraud, tells them that the end times have begun. > > They believe that the Bible demands that they go to war against the Antichrist and all of his minions. If Joe Biden and the other leaders of the U.S. government—now including even staunch Christian conservatives like Mike Pence—represent the forces of the Antichrist, the faithful have no choice but to organize against them. They need to stop the Antichrist by any means necessary. God demands no less than insurrection. > **[The Capitol Riot Revealed the Darkest Nightmares of White Evangelical America](https://newrepublic.com/article/160922/capitol-riot-revealed-darkest-nightmares-white-evangelical-america)** > > How 150 years of apocalyptic agitation culminated in an insurrection ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/998 "2021-02-03T23:30:24Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > FoxNews didn’t broadcast much of Officer Sicknick’s funeral live Have any of the Republican leadership expressed condolences or even acknowledged Officer Sicknick’s death? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/999 "2021-02-03T23:30:54Z")
From the 8th to the 11th centuries AD, the Vikings raided, pillaged, and colonized much of Europe. The reign of terror of these fierce, feared warrors finally came to a close when they weren’t given organic food, even though they had notes from their mothers. > **['QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley hasn't eaten in a week and lost 20 pounds in...](https://www.insider.com/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-wont-eat-jail-organic-food-lawyer-2021-2)** > > Jacob Chansley, also known as the QAnon Shaman, will eat only organic food because of his religious beliefs, his lawyer said in a court filing. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1000 "2021-02-03T23:47:41Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > …that crushed guy is permanently damaged… You’re referring to the cop crushed in the doorway? Here’s a sort of “feel-good” follow-up: > **[DC police ID officer crushed in door in response to little girl’s heartfelt...](https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dc-police-id-officer-crushed-in-door-in-response-to-little-girls-heartfelt-letter)** > > D.C. police have identified the officer who was crushed in a doorway during the U.S. Capitol riot. Hate to say, but wouldn’t be surprised if that girl ends up getting bullied, and here’s the scumbag who wasted on the cop with a shield while he was stuck in that doorway: > **[Connecticut man charged with attack on DC cop who was crushed in doorway...](https://www.fox5dc.com/news/connecticut-man-charged-with-attack-on-dc-cop-who-was-crushing-in-doorway-during-capitol-riot)** > > A Connecticut man is facing charges for allegedly assaulting a D.C. police officer during a riot in the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Maybe I skimmed not too closely, but didn’t see anywhere about the cop being permanently damaged. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That’s fuktup that the court allowed her to go. > **[Capitol riot suspect asks court's permission to vacation in Mexico](https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/02/02/capitol-rioter-wants-go-mexican-vacation-and-court-lets-her/4358889001/)** > > Texas florist Jenny Cudd, who took part in the Capitol riot Jan. 6, asked for permission to travel to Mexico for a work retreat this month. > [@](#): > > _Corrections and clarifications: A federal magistrate has not granted permission for Jenny Cudd to leave the country, as indicated in a previous version of this story._ Looks like this update has stated otherwise. YAY!!! ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1001 "2021-02-04T00:42:45Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _Corrections and clarifications: A federal magistrate has not granted permission for Jenny Cudd to leave the country, as indicated in a previous version of this story._ > > Looks like this update has stated otherwise. Well, that’s a pretty big fuck up by the article writer. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1002 "2021-02-04T00:48:25Z")
_Corrections and clarifications: A meteorite the size of Africa is **not** slamming into the earth on Friday, as indicated in a previous version of this story. We apologize for any inconvenience, hoarding, stock market crashes or suicides we may have caused._ ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1003 "2021-02-04T01:56:20Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m willing to bet if you interviewed all these guys with good jobs and businesses that took off work and used their credit cards to buy plane tickets and book DC hotels so they could help Trump wage an armed attack on Congress, you would find that each and every one of them came home from work each night and turned on Fox News. Or listened to Rush on the drive to and from work. Or NewsMax or OANN or something worse, some noxious Bannon or Guiliani podcast. > > But they all started with Fox and/or Rush, even if that was a “gateway drug”. Quite some time ago, someone else on this board referenced a homemade documentary that was done by a woman who was very disturbed by the changes she saw in her father, who went down the right-wing media rathole. I watched it (it’s available from several sources on streaming media), and she makes some excellent points and observations on this phenomenon. It’s called [The Brainwashing of My Dad](https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/). Here’s a quote from the film’s website: > Ms Senko’s groundbreaking film examines the rise of right-wing media through the lens of her father, whose immersion in its daily propaganda had radicalized him. His new fanaticism rocked the very foundation of their family. She discovered that this phenomenon was occurring with alarming frequency in living rooms across America. The film reveals the consequences that this radicalized media is having on people, families, America, and the world. > By watching and sharing this film as widely as you can, you will be helping to educate others about the dangers of these weaponized media platforms being operated by Fox News, Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and many other bad actors who seek a more bellicose and “dumbed down” public that is constantly being told to be angry at everything - rarely understanding that the real objective is to steer them toward voting for far right issues and candidates. Her family was able to pull her dad back out of the rathole eventually, due to a combination of fortunate timing and lots of diligence. Not everyone gets that lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1004 "2021-02-04T02:14:48Z")
Since the Parler thread is closed: > **[Parler CEO Says He Was Fired as Platform Neared Restoring Service](https://www.wsj.com/articles/parler-ceo-says-he-was-fired-by-conservative-political-donor-rebekah-mercer-11612397380)** > > The moderation-light social media platform that appealed to conservatives was forced offline last month by tech giants in the wake of the Capitol riot by Trump supporters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=51)