# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1066 "2021-02-07T17:26:13Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > It’s like saying high school teachers are conspiring to educate teenagers. Yes. And they even got together and discussed with parents how best to do that! What an odd thing to do! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1067 "2021-02-07T20:37:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Lucky guy that trump pardoned him, eh? That freed him up to get involved in the insurrection. More winning. I will be overjoyed if he gets convicted of conspiracy and sedition. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1068 "2021-02-08T21:06:29Z")
Or seditious conspiracy! It’s two… two… two felony charges in one! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1069 "2021-02-09T06:23:39Z")
“The FBI easily tracked down Chansley … due to his distinctive tattoos on his arms and chest, his red, white, and blue face paint, and his furry hat that had horns on it.” [https://www.azfamily.com/news/qanon-shaman-rioter-from-arizona-on-ex-president-trump-he-was-not-honorable/article\_83da9bba-6a8a-11eb-933c-cf9035c1df8d.html](https://www.azfamily.com/news/qanon-shaman-rioter-from-arizona-on-ex-president-trump-he-was-not-honorable/article_83da9bba-6a8a-11eb-933c-cf9035c1df8d.html) ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1070 "2021-02-09T06:26:55Z")
OK, well, he’s apologized. Why is he still in prison? He _SAID_ he was SORRY! If he doesn’t get let out tonight, he’s going to have his mommy do another press release discussing how unfair this whole things is. He was mislead and he’s sorry. And the organic food he’s being fed isn’t cooked properly. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1071 "2021-02-09T15:55:00Z")
If calls to string up Pence were peaceful, I’d hate to see what he considers “violent”. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1072 "2021-02-10T23:15:41Z")
According to Open Secrets, Trump’s campaign paid more than $3.5M in payments to Jan. 6 organizers. > **[Trump's political operation paid more than $3.5 million to Jan. 6 organizers](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/02/jan-6-protests-trump-operation-paid-3p5mil/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=r%2F_jan-6-tp35q-02%2F09%2F20)** > > Newly uncovered payments show Trump’s 2020 campaign paid even larger sums to people involved in organizing Jan. 6 protests. > [@](#): > > OpenSecrets unearthed more than $3.5 million in direct payments from Trump’s 2020 campaign, along with its joint fundraising committees, to people and firms involved in the Washington, D.C. demonstration before a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol. > > Recent FEC filings show at least three individuals listed on permit records for the Washington, D.C. demonstration were on the Trump campaign’s payroll through Nov. 30, 2020. > > The Trump campaign paid Event Strategies Inc., a firm named in a [permit for the rally](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/01/trump-tied-to-dc-protests-dark-money-and-shell-companies/) that also employed two individuals involved in the demonstration, as recently as Dec. 15, just three weeks before the attacks on the U.S. Capitol. That’s according to the most recent FEC filings covering spending through the end of 2020. > . . . > But the American public may never know the full extent of the Trump campaign’s [payments to organizers](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/01/trump-tied-to-dc-protests-dark-money-and-shell-companies/) involved in the protests. That’s because the campaign used an opaque payment scheme that concealed details of hundreds of millions of dollars in spending by routing payments through shell companies where the ultimate payee is hidden. > > Trump’s 2020 campaign and joint fundraising committee, the [Trump Make America Great Again Committee](https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00618371), spent more than $771 million through [American Made Media Consultants LLC](https://www.opensecrets.org/campaign-expenditures/vendor?cycle=2020&vendor=American+Made+Media+Consultants), according to new data analyzed by OpenSecrets. The secretive limited-liability company was created by [campaign aides](https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/06/trump-2020-campaign-ad-payments-hidden-by-layers-of-shell-companies/) and members of [Trump’s inner circle](https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-trump-campaign-shell-company-family-ammc-lara-2020-12) to act as a “clearinghouse” to pay vendors, concealing the campaign’s transactions with those vendors. > . . . > The nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center filed an FEC [complaint](https://campaignlegal.org/document/supplemental-fec-complaint-trump-payments-american-made-media-consultants) alleging that the Trump campaign and its joint fundraising committee may have violated federal election reporting rules by “laundering” those funds and concealing details of the campaign’s financial dealings. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1073 "2021-02-11T00:11:56Z")
At point does RICO come into play? ([RICO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act) is a federal statute written to fight criminal organizations where it’s difficult to pin a crime on a specific individual.) Trump’s pyramid of shell companies and payments through them sure seem to be vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1074 "2021-02-11T03:38:50Z")
As to RICO… heheheheh. > **[Exclusive: U.S. mulls using law designed to prosecute Mafia against Capitol...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-rico-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-mulls-using-law-designed-to-prosecute-mafia-against-capitol-rioters-idUSKBN2A32W2)** > > The U.S. Justice Department is considering whether to charge members of far-right groups involved in the deadly Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol under a federal law usually used against organized crime, according to two law enforcement sources. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2021, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1075 "2021-02-11T03:45:01Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > According to Open Secrets, Trump’s campaign paid more than $3.5M in payments to Jan. 6 organizers. Wow, that method of concealing who the payments went to – if it isn’t illegal, it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1076 "2021-02-12T14:12:34Z")
> **[Military officials were unaware of potential danger to Pence's 'nuclear...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/11/politics/military-officials-were-unaware-pence-nuclear-football-riot/index.html)** > > Military officials overseeing the authorization process to launch nuclear weapons were unaware on January 6 that then-Vice President Mike Pence's military aide carrying the "nuclear football" was potentially in danger as rioters got close during the... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1077 "2021-02-12T14:16:38Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > As to RICO… heheheheh. From that article: > [@](#): > > “RICO was designed to address the Godfather - \*_the person who doesn’t get their hands bloody,”_ said Jeffrey Grell, an attorney who specializes in RICO law. “You would really only use RICO to go after the kingpins or the leaders.” And the ones who just go back to their oval office to watch it all on tv. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1078 "2021-02-13T04:01:19Z")
> **[New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html)** > > In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the US Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1079 "2021-02-13T04:09:22Z")
This is an insightful post. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1080 "2021-02-13T05:49:38Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html) Did this get brought up at the trial? (Wait. . . I’ll go read the Trump Impeachment II Thread, all 126 posts of catching-up I need to do now, and see if it’s mentioned there . . . ) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1081 "2021-02-13T06:11:50Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > On the bright side, it’s possible that we could see a decline in this behavior as these older voters die off. I am 49 years old and have been hearing stuff like this MY ENTIRE LIFE. None of these Republicans should ever have won elections, because people were saying in 1992 that conservatives were all old and were dying off. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1082 "2021-02-13T06:48:02Z")
Yeah, I agree. I think it’s pretty typical that people are generally more liberal when they’re younger and turn conservative when they get older. That has certainly happened with Gen X. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1083 "2021-02-13T06:58:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I am 49 years old and have been hearing stuff like this MY ENTIRE LIFE. None of these Republicans should ever have won elections, because people were saying in 1992 that conservatives were all old and were dying off. Anyone who said that wasn’t paying attention to demographics. Yes, old people die, but then middle aged people become old people. You have to look at the size of the generation that’s in old age. In particular, the biggest generation ever (yes, the Baby Boom) has only now gotten into that age range (57-75), so that’s why it hasn’t happen yet. Once the BB dies off in significant numbers (which should be in about 10 to 15 years), then you’ll see what they predicted happen. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1084 "2021-02-13T10:54:38Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Yeah, I agree. I think it’s pretty typical that people are generally more liberal when they’re younger and turn conservative when they get older. That has certainly happened with Gen X. This is a myth. Lots of studies have looked at the question and largely debunked this as a generalization. I’m Gen X. By comparison to earlier generations, we might have been more liberal in a relative sense, but we still freely told terribly offensive racial and gender-role jokes, among other behavior that doesn’t fly now. Go back and look at early 80s comedies for a (pretty gross) reference point. What happens is that society _evolves._ It’s not that my generation became more conservative over time, it’s that what we used to think was acceptable behavior has aged out. The context has changed, and social drift has left us behind. In response, my generational compatriots may have _hardened_ their beliefs and behaviors, which makes them _seem_ like generic obstinate right-wing dickheads. And, again, in a relative sense, that may in fact be accurate. But it’s not that they started out on the left side of the line and then slid slowly to the right, for the most part. Instead, the line has been slowly shifting under them. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1085 "2021-02-13T14:32:47Z")
You’re wrong. See cervaise’s post above, it’s a nice job of explaining the reality of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=55)