# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/102 "2021-01-08T21:58:46Z")
It’s the same mindset that’s seen in doctors that acquiesce to a patient’s request for an inappropriate treatment. It’s frequently seen when people research cancer treatments on their own. They select an inappropriately harsh treatment because they think harsher means better. They try to convince the doctor that they aren’t like those other patients, they have very important reasons why _they_ can’t die and they need the stronger treatment - which is often inappropriate because it carries its own cancer risk. The doctors that cave convince themselves that if they don’t give the patient the inappropriate treatment, she’ll just go to another doctor that will. They have a vague theory that it’s better to get the treatment from a doctor that didn’t want to do it than it is from a doctor who would overtreat a patient without compunction. It’s like this with these freaking congressmen. They tell themselves that they are good people who frown and furrow their brows when they commit an immoral or illegal act in the service of Trump. But if they ever took a stand they’d be replaced by someone that _likes_ being an amoral lawbreaker, and that’s somehow worse. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/103 "2021-01-08T21:59:46Z")
Looks like Democrats will have a 51 vote majority. Murkowski signals she’ll be [jumping ship](https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08/alaska-sen-lisa-murkowski-calls-on-president-trump-to-resign-questions-her-future-as-a-republican/). ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/104 "2021-01-08T22:02:51Z")
Jesus. That interview alone guarantees her a primary challenge is she tries to run again as a Republican. I wonder if she’s decided this is her last term. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/105 "2021-01-08T22:03:05Z")
I was thinking about what I posted earlier (about Trump’s legacy being garbage). I feel bad for Barron (not the rest of the Trump’s, fork them). But imagine, he’s going to have to grow up as the son of a traitor. You can only isolate him from that so much. And, of course, he doesn’t deserve it, in the sense that while true the sins of the father should not be the sins of the son. He didn’t ask for his father to be an unhinged fascist traitor. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/106 "2021-01-08T22:13:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Murkowski signals she’ll be [jumping ship](https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08/alaska-sen-lisa-murkowski-calls-on-president-trump-to-resign-questions-her-future-as-a-republican/). Well, she says that she _ **might** _. By no means a done deal. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/107 "2021-01-08T22:13:20Z")
She was primaried before and won in a write in during the general. People even spelled her name properly! She doesn’t have much to worry about in Alaska. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/108 "2021-01-08T22:13:20Z")
I mean, it makes a ton of sense for her. She can have zero power in the minority, or suddenly find herself very powerful as a swing vote in the majority. Seems like a no brainer. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/109 "2021-01-08T22:14:11Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Looks like Democrats will have a 51 vote majority. Murkowski signals she’ll be [jumping ship](https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08/alaska-sen-lisa-murkowski-calls-on-president-trump-to-resign-questions-her-future-as-a-republican/). No. She’s questioning her future with the Republican party. She’s not leaving it. She’s giving notice that she might leave if it remains “The Party of Trump”. And in no way has she indicated she ever intends on joining the Democrat Caucus. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/110 "2021-01-08T22:15:34Z")
There is speculation that some will go independent and caucus with the republicans, rather like the 2 independents that caucus with the democrats. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/111 "2021-01-08T22:16:50Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I had trouble with the paywall for your link, so I found a very good article in Stars and Stripes magazine. Sorry, I’m getting here late. Wasn’t that the publication that trump tried to shut down and then was forced to backtrack on? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/112 "2021-01-08T22:17:49Z")
Yes, indeed it was. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/113 "2021-01-08T22:22:17Z")
Are Jared and Ivanka still in Saudi Arabia? Does anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/114 "2021-01-08T22:24:01Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > > > Murkowski signals she’ll be [jumping ship](https://www.adn.com/politics/2021/01/08/alaska-sen-lisa-murkowski-calls-on-president-trump-to-resign-questions-her-future-as-a-republican/). > > Well, she says that she _ **might** _. By no means a done deal. She also says … > … while “there may have been many, many, many, many good Americans who came to Washington, D.C., because they felt strongly in support of this president,” Trump incited them to storm the Capitol after a speech near the Washington Monument. Yeah, they were just fine upstanding citizens. Good people on both sides, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/115 "2021-01-08T22:35:33Z")
Thank you! I’m recently retired with time on my hands. It’s nice to write a little bit - sometimes I have to, it organizes my thoughts and clears my head. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/116 "2021-01-08T22:43:32Z")
Lots of folks are going to be [arrested in the next few days](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/republican-lawmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html?fbclid=IwAR3tzgByWXRf6tZ15yY-4hscKgU2Q_kxiNOS_mD8_Q4DXg-MkhxaYZ4I-DE), including MORE Republican politicians… > The suspects include Holocaust deniers, White supremacists, and conspiracy theorists. [DC Police released 26 pages of images showing people wanted for “Unlawful entry”.](https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/POIs%20of%20Interest_1.7.21.pdf) > “We still have a significant amount of work ahead of us to identify and hold each and every one of the violent mob accountable for their violent actions,” [Metropolitan Police Department chief Robert Contee said.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/capitol-hill-trump-riots-washington-dc-b1784064.html) > At least six Republican state legislators took part in events surrounding the storming of the US Capitol. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/117 "2021-01-08T22:51:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Remember back in early 2018 when Senator Al Franken (D-MN) resigned amid widespread Democratic/liberal criticism of his sexually inappropriate conduct described in several “Me Too” accusations? Yeah, I remember. IIRC (and, please, correct me if I’m wrong), those images were all from well before Franken was a Senator. Does everyone remember what his job was before he went into politics? He was a comedian. What do comedians do? They do funny or stupid stuff trying to make us laugh. They also push the boundries, and do things that are not allowed in polite company. The people who elected him, the people who caucussed with him, knew what he was. I was very disappointed in the calls for him to resign, and I was very disappointed when he did. There’s a HUGE difference between what he did and what Trump admitted to - Franken only held his hands ABOVE a sleeping woman (never actually touched), as opposed to Trump admitting to “grab them by the (kitty)”. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/118 "2021-01-08T22:53:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > At least six Republican state legislators took part in events surrounding the storming of the US Capitol. Wonder if they will be able to identify them? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/119 "2021-01-08T22:53:39Z")
> **[Six Republican lawmakers among rioters as police release photos of wanted](https://news.yahoo.com/six-republican-lawmakers-among-rioters-225945766.html)** > > Suspects include Holocaust deniers, White supremacists, and conspiracy theorists ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/120 "2021-01-08T23:00:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > DC Police released 26 pages of images showing people wanted for “Unlawful entry”. Unlawful entry my ass - these people knowingly and intentionally participated in a terrorist mob acting to threaten, impede, or murder elected leaders in the process of lawfully replacing the mob’s instigator. Every single person who entered that building should be charged with a crime that includes the death penalty as a possible punishment. (As should their instigator.) Which is not to say that they should all be executed, but the gravity of their actions should be recognized at a legal level. Once that is happening their outcomes would be in the hands of the courts. Of course, perhaps the gentle language is just to make collecting them easier, and to avoid anybody getting pardon-happy prior to Biden taking the helm. More likely though the kid gloves will stay on, for various political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/121 "2021-01-08T23:14:19Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > Yeah, I remember. IIRC (and, please, correct me if I’m wrong), those images were all from well before Franken was a Senator. You’re wrong. There were several allegations (from nine different women, in total) against Franken, from both before and after he started his political career. Only the initial accusation, from a conservative radio personality, included any images, and if it had only been that one accusation, I’d agree that he should not have resigned. The other eight complaints could not be credibly explained as “trying to make people laugh,” and several of the women making accusations were Democrats. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=7)