# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1366 "2021-03-15T22:28:17Z")
But I’m confused. Last month he swore it was “antifa” that attacked Congress. So did he think it was antifa while the attack was happening, or did he think he was running from loving white patriots? Or did he think it was Iranians? Since he seemed so confused about who perpetrated the attack, how did he know not to be scared? Jeez, they aren’t even trying anymore. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1367 "2021-03-15T23:44:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I know it’s a trivial point, particularly in this context, but…“sandwich operator”? Apparently he operates his own sandwich shop. He was wearing a shirt with the shop’s logo during the insurrection. Genius! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1368 "2021-03-15T23:51:09Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Even if one flips and puts both of them there, with intent to assault cops with the chemical spray, they still have to prove that the spray caused the death. I don’t think so. They have both of them at the riot. We have them talking about the “bear shit.” We have body cam video showing them spray cops. We have a dead cop. That’s “felony murder” even if the spray didn’t kill him. Intent, commission of crime, somebody dies during commission of same. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1369 "2021-03-16T00:11:41Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Apparently he operates his own sandwich shop. He was wearing a shirt with the shop’s logo during the insurrection. Genius! - Free advertising! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1370 "2021-03-16T00:23:49Z")
FARK headline: “Sandwich Nazi Actual Nazi” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1371 "2021-03-16T01:22:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I don’t think so. They have both of them at the riot. We have them talking about the “bear shit.” We have body cam video showing them spray cops. We have a dead cop. That’s “felony murder” even if the spray didn’t kill him. Intent, commission of crime, somebody dies during commission of same. Not every felony triggers felony murder. Here’s the underlying offences in the federal [18 U.S. Code § 1111](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111) that can support felony murder: > [@](#): > > committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, [child abuse](https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-1533476290-1523861651&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:51:section:1111), burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a [pattern or practice of assault or torture](https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-1015129246-1523861652&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:51:section:1111) against a[child](https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-94631196-1523861650&term_occur=999&term_src=)or children; And here’s what they’ve been charged with: > [@](#): > > Khater and Tanios are each charged in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia with one count of conspiracy to injure an officer; three counts of assault on a federal officer with a dangerous weapon; one count of civil disorder; one count of obstructing or impeding an official proceeding; one count of physical violence on restricted grounds, while carrying dangerous weapon and resulting in significant bodily injury; and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct, act of physical violence on Capitol grounds, according to the Department of Justice. Since none of the charges they face are listed in the definition of felony murder, my understanding is that they can’t be charged with it. But I’m just a Canuck; maybe a real live US lawyer would care to comment? And maybe there’s something in the DC laws that would apply? The interaction between the DC criminal law and the USC is rather complex, I understand. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1372 "2021-03-16T04:43:26Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The only thing missing is the preface “I’m not a racist, but…” Dude, just give him a second will ya… > “It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with riots,” Johnson said. “I completely did not anticipate that anybody could interpret what I said as racist. It’s not.” [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/johnson-says-comments-about-capitol-breach-were-not-racist/2021/03/15/38b0b152-85aa-11eb-be4a-24b89f616f2c\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/johnson-says-comments-about-capitol-breach-were-not-racist/2021/03/15/38b0b152-85aa-11eb-be4a-24b89f616f2c_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2021, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1373 "2021-03-16T13:24:40Z")
Knowing what we know now, it does seem like a stretch to prove murder as to the late USCP officer. And see: > **[Family torn apart as they speak to investigators about father's participation...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/capitol-riot-family-divide-guy-reffitt/index.html)** > > A 16-year-old testified against her father in court on Monday, as prosecutors used what they learned from the Texas Three Percenter's children about his resolve for taking part in the US Capitol riot against him. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1374 "2021-03-18T14:06:10Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/politics/kamala-harris-residence-arrest/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/politics/kamala-harris-residence-arrest/index.html) > A spokesperson for Washington’s Metropolitan Police said officers responded “at approximately 12:12 pm, to the 3400 block of Massachusetts Avenue, NW in reference to a suspicious person based on an intelligence bulletin that originated from Texas, who was detained by US Secret Service.” Law enforcement contacted the man after a region-wide intelligence bulletin had been issued for the suspect. > > DC police say officers arrested and charged 31-year-old Paul Murray, of San Antonio, and that a rifle and ammunition were recovered from his vehicle. > > A police report obtained by CNN shows officers allege Murray was in possession of an “AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, 113 rounds of unregistered ammunition, and five 30 round magazines.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1375 "2021-03-18T14:11:32Z")
His diabetes was having a bad day dealing with his sex addiction. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1376 "2021-03-18T14:15:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Knowing what we know now, it does seem like a stretch to prove murder as to the late USCP officer. > > And see: > [https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/capitol-riot-family-divide-guy-reffitt/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/capitol-riot-family-divide-guy-reffitt/index.html) Father of the year: > Reffitt [told] his daughter he would put a bullet through her cell phone if she posted about him on social media, according to court records and her testimony at the hearing Monday. He finally told his daughter and son that if they turned him in, they were traitors, and “traitors get shot,” his daughter testified. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1377 "2021-03-18T21:24:07Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > …unregistered ammunition… How the %$#@! do you register ammo? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1378 "2021-03-18T21:31:32Z")
[That’s a DC government thing.](https://code.dccouncil.us/dc/council/code/sections/7-2506.01.html) Ammunition which does not belong with a registered firearm is considered unregistered. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1379 "2021-03-18T22:00:04Z")
“I completely did not anticipate that anybody could interpret what I said as racist. It’s not.” This says more about Johnson than I think he realizes. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1380 "2021-03-18T22:04:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Knowing what we know now, it does seem like a stretch to prove murder as to the late USCP officer. Depending on the charges and the evidence as to cause of death, maybe involuntary manslaughter under federal law. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1381 "2021-03-19T00:05:34Z")
Whatever will stick. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And on that note: [FBI releases new footage of pro-Trump mob attacking police at U.S. Capitol [Video]](https://www.aol.com/fbi-releases-footage-pro-trump-161116161.html) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1382 "2021-03-19T14:04:40Z")
To be fair, I thought that was an odd thing as well, until I googled the words “unregistered ammo”, and read about those laws in DC. I’ll be a bit surprised if that law isn’t challenged and overturned by our current fairly partisan SCOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1383 "2021-03-19T14:36:17Z")
I would not be so sure of that. The SOCTUS is in DC as well and at some point they could be targeted. Has anyone attempted to assassinate a sitting Supreme Court judge? I do believe they have been stalked but can’t recall any recent ones. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1384 "2021-03-19T15:29:39Z")
> **[Report: Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor Targeted By Gunman Who Killed Federal...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/02/19/report-supreme-court-justice-sotomayor-targeted-by-gunman-who-killed-federal-judges-son/)** > > Judge Esther Salas said the FBI found a gun, ammunition and a dossier on Justice Sotomayor in a locker used by the shooter who attacked her family. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1385 "2021-03-19T15:57:05Z")
Not quite what I was looking for, he wasn’t actively stalking Sotomayor (yet) but was on a list. A quick google search shows that no one has attempted to assassinate a sitting SOCTUS member. By attempted I mean actively stalking (like the VP Harris suspect) or actually taken a shot at them. I’m a bit surprised by this in that there is another level of crazy that hasn’t been tried yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=70)