# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1726 "2021-05-28T19:40:38Z")
Apparently this vote was going to be a lot closer to passing, Mitch had to plead with several of those non-voting Republicans to get them to sit out the vote rather than vote “yes.” I’m a little baffled by the two Democratic non-votes, you’d think Schumer would have had his entire conference lined up. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1727 "2021-05-28T20:43:35Z")
Patty Murray and Kyrsten Sinema to be exact. Wtf is with that? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1728 "2021-05-28T20:44:57Z")
Bengazi! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1729 "2021-05-28T20:54:27Z")
They better have good excuses… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1730 "2021-05-28T21:04:59Z")
“It’s unclear why Sinema, D-Ariz., missed the vote…” > **[Sen. Kyrsten Sinema skips Jan. 6 US Capitol riot commission vote](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/05/28/kyrsten-sinema-misses-jan-6-commission-vote-gop-filibuster/5248186001/)** > > Sen. Kyrsten Sinema missed the vote on establishing a Jan. 6 commission. Sen. Mark Kelly voted to advance the legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1731 "2021-05-28T21:06:31Z")
It’s perfectly clear. It’s because she sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1732 "2021-05-28T21:11:56Z")
Maybe she went to the cinema. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1733 "2021-05-28T21:17:28Z")
They actually made shirts with “MAGA Civil War, January 6th” on them. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1734 "2021-05-28T21:20:58Z")
I almost have more respect for the Senators who voted “no” than the 11 who stuck their heads in the sand and pretended like they had Very Important Business elsewhere. For the record, those Senators are: Blackburn (R-TN) Blunt (R-MO) Braun (R-IN) Burr (R-NC) Inhofe (R-OK) Murray (D-WA) Risch (R-ID) Rounds (R-SD) Shelby (R-AL) Sinema (D-AZ) Toomey (R-PA) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1735 "2021-05-28T21:29:26Z")
TBH, I don’t think we need a commission. Commissions function best when they’re taken seriously by people along two sides of a political continuum. We don’t have that anymore. It would only be seen as another act of partisanship by anyone who isn’t already staunchly pro-Biden/anti-Trump. It’s just like impeachment all over again. So let’s say, Murkowski and Repub-Lite actually do give Dems enough votes to have their commission. They’d probably be quick to ‘balance’ their vote by trying to downplay the commission’s findings, whatever they are. I’d rather just kick out stimulus checks to voters and vote for stimulus. All of that being said, Joe Munchkin, get your head out of your ass and nuke the filibuster once and for fucking all. Gettin’ real tired of your _‘Umma good ole shit kickin’, coal-shovelin’ boy from Appalachia. I kun relate to real people and stuff._ ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1736 "2021-05-28T22:20:39Z")
_checks calendar_ she was returning video tapes. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1737 "2021-05-28T22:24:38Z")
We’ll likely never get the real reason but I’d be ok with it if she abstained knowing the bill wouldn’t pass. Given how nutty some Arizonians are, if abstaining helped her keep her seat then I’d support it. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1738 "2021-05-28T22:42:32Z")
She just got elected to a six year term. Mark Kelly has to defend his seat next year and he voted yes. I agree, Sinema kinda sucks. Manchin gets all the shit, but she’s been just as much of an obstacle to eliminating the filibuster. And at least Manchin showed up to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1739 "2021-05-29T18:03:49Z")
From AR article on chickenshit Sinema: > [@](#): > > The senator’s spokesperson, Hannah Hurley, [told](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2021/05/28/kyrsten-sinema-misses-jan-6-commission-vote-gop-filibuster/5248186001/) The Arizona Republic on Friday that the senator backed the bill “and has said so publicly, and she will be entering into the Congressional record that she would’ve voted yes.” Well, that’s nice to know, if somewhat belated / FUCKING USELESS now. > [@asahi](#): > > TBH, I don’t think we need a commission. The lack of bipartisanship and potential for impeachment proceedings redux notwithstanding, nothing has the subpoening power of such a commision. Much like the AR’s toxic, fucked-up attempts at repeatedly suing over election results simply as an attempt to gaslight the more idioitic members of the public to sow doubt in the process, the mere _optics_ of a Jan. 6 commission would achieve precisely the same thing, but in the inverse, in that: it would hopefully further illustrate to the public the iron-clad awfulness of the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1740 "2021-05-30T00:28:10Z")
I don’t think optics mean shit anymore; this country is hopelessly polarized. There is no rational debate or thought. We’re in a zero-sum ‘game’ of politics, in which some people (tens of millions) believe that they’re endangered by the usual ‘rules’ of democracy. You gotta realize: there are millions of people who have invested themselves in anti-democracy. American democracy, as we’ve known it, is going to die. We have to understand this. The larger question is, how do ordinary citizens respond once they realize that their influence on the system has been challenged, rejected. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1741 "2021-05-30T01:27:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > American democracy, as we’ve known it, is going to die. We have to understand this. **The larger question is, how do ordinary citizens respond once they realize that their influence on the system has been challenged, rejected.** My recent nearby thread, “[Okay, how will you react when Repubs end democracy?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/okay-how-will-you-react-when-repubs-end-democracy/942589)”, addresses that question, and garnered a much more extensive discussion than I had expected. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1742 "2021-05-30T03:16:43Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I almost have more respect for the Senators who voted “no” than the 11 who stuck their heads in the sand and pretended like they had Very Important Business elsewhere. For the record, those Senators are: > > Blackburn (R-TN) > Blunt (R-MO) > Braun (R-IN) > Burr (R-NC) > Inhofe (R-OK) > Murray (D-WA) > Risch (R-ID) > Rounds (R-SD) > Shelby (R-AL) > Sinema (D-AZ) > Toomey (R-PA) Glad to see my Republican senator, Portman of Ohio, actually discovered his spine at long last, showed up and voted with the Dems. About freakin’ time (and sure, it’s _totally_ coincidental that he’s decided not to run for reelection). ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1743 "2021-05-30T05:20:15Z")
Murray remains the mystery for me. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1744 "2021-05-30T16:12:44Z")
Local paper said she had unspecified family emergency. I don’t know what happened, but she had zero reason to fear voting for this bill. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1745 "2021-05-31T01:58:34Z")
I would take Murray at her word. She’s generally a respected legislator, from all I’ve heard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=88)