# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1746 "2021-05-31T20:33:50Z")
Yeah, something happened. She would’ve gladly voted for the bill. > My statement on today's vote on the January 6th commission. [pic.twitter.com/KPXfXeiMkI](https://t.co/KPXfXeiMkI) > > — Senator Patty Murray (@PattyMurray) [May 28, 2021](https://twitter.com/PattyMurray/status/1398304122835701764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1747 "2021-06-02T13:19:58Z")
Not every case is as strong as every other: > **[Justice Department makes first request to drop a Capitol riot case | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/01/politics/capitol-riot-case-dropped/index.html)** > > The Justice Department on Tuesday asked to drop the Capitol riot case against defendant Christopher Kelly of New York, in one of the first moves to resolve one of the hundreds of federal cases related to the insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1748 "2021-06-02T15:49:34Z")
Yeah… fuck 'em. Another one just ‘caught up’ in the insurrection. We need a very, very large net. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1749 "2021-06-02T16:58:24Z")
The case against Paul Allard Hodgkins was strong: > **[Tampa man pleads guilty to felony in Jan. 6 Capitol riot; his recommended...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/guilty-plea-capitol-riot-sentencing/2021/06/02/b0bc0326-c3ae-11eb-93f5-ee9558eecf4b_story.html)** > > Paul Hodgkins, 38, the second riot defendant to plead guilty, agreed to a $2,000 fine to help pay for $1.5 million in damage to the Capitol. > [@](#): > > A Tampa man who carried a Trump flag into the well of the Senate on Jan. 6 pleaded guilty Wednesday to one felony count of storming the Capitol to obstruct Congress’s certification of the 2020 presidential election. > > Paul Allard Hodgkins, 38, did not enter a cooperation deal with prosecutors, and he is not accused of any other wrongdoing or involvement with extremist groups. > > In admitting to the stiffest felony count charged by prosecutors against individuals not otherwise accused of conspiracy or violence in the Capitol riot, Hodgkins faces a prison sentence of 15 to 21 months under federal guidelines. His sentencing is poised to become a test case watched by other defendants deciding whether to accept pleas, several defense lawyers said. > > “I have decided that I will accept this plea offer, and I will plead guilty to charge one,” Hodgkins told U.S. District Judge Randolph D. Moss. > > Hodgkins’s attorney, Patrick Leduc, said he would seek a lower sentence at a sentencing hearing as soon as July 19, and he asked the judge to waive a $7,500 to $75,000 fine because his client also agreed to pay $2,000 in restitution for his share of riot damage to the Capitol. > > Prosecutor Mona Sedky estimated damage to the Capitol at $1.5 million — the first time prosecutors have given a public cost estimate. > > “There’s no justification for Jan. 6. That’s why he is standing up and entering a plea of guilty. He acknowledges what he did was wrong, and there’s no excuses for it,” Leduc said outside the hearing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1750 "2021-06-02T21:03:34Z")
AIUI, Hodgkins is being convicted specifically of “obstruction of a public proceeding”, which sounds bureaucratic but can carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. He’s getting four other charges dropped and is looking for a shorter sentence because of the plea agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1751 "2021-06-03T15:09:05Z")
You can run, but can you hide, when you’re a Congressman…?: > **[Rep. Mo Brooks is avoiding an insurrection lawsuit. Rep. Eric Swalwell hired...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/02/politics/mo-brooks-eric-swalwell-insurrection-lawsuit/index.html)** > > Republican Rep. Mo Brooks is avoiding a lawsuit from his Democratic colleague Rep. Eric Swalwell that seeks to hold him accountable for the January 6 Capitol insurrection -- so much so that Swalwell's attorneys hired a private investigator to find... ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1752 "2021-06-03T19:00:27Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > You can run, but can you hide, when you’re a Congressman…?: The investigator should claim to be a big money donor. That’ll get him to see just about any member of Congress. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1753 "2021-06-04T00:23:46Z")
The lawsuit, as lawsuits tend to do, could open up a lot of other hidden doors to people with direct involvement in the funding and planning. I suspect Brooks has shit to hide, and not just for himself. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1754 "2021-06-04T13:18:03Z")
I think you’re probably right. And here’s the understatement of the year, nay, the century: > **[Mike Pence on Donald Trump: 'I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye' on...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/03/politics/pence-trump-january-6/index.html)** > > Former Vice President Mike Pence acknowledged on Thursday that he and former President Donald Trump maintain starkly different views of the riot that unfolded at the US Capitol on January 6. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1755 "2021-06-05T05:44:02Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > And here’s the understatement of the year, nay, the century: It takes real courage to think of an event where a crowd was trying to kill you, and meekly mention that you don’t “see eye to eye” with the person who caused it. Then immediately return to a “…but the Dems” schtick, and vote not to investigate what actually happened that day. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1756 "2021-06-05T13:34:40Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > It takes real courage to think of an event where a crowd was trying to kill you, and meekly mention that you don’t “see eye to eye” with the person who caused it. Courage my ass. He’s scared shitless of the MAGA base and is afraid to call out the guy who was perfectly willing to see a mob have him drawn and quartered. Pence is a back bench politician who won’t win a single primary in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1757 "2021-06-05T14:39:11Z")
I thought the sarcasm was obvious… ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1758 "2021-06-05T15:09:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I think the Oregon Capitol building breach was brought up in this thread already; if not, well, this is definitely some aftermath from people storming _a_ Capitol, just not the one in DC: For people outside Oregon, this was a case where an Oregon legislator opened a door to let protestors into the Oregon Capitol. There’s been a new developement. Someone found a video of the legislator, Mike Nearman, giving explicit (albeit ostensibly hypothetical) instructions on how he would do this. Posted just a few days before the incident. A smoking gun, no, a smoking howitzer. > **[Days before Rep. Mike Nearman helped protesters breach Capitol, he coached...](https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/06/days-before-rep-mike-nearman-helped-protesters-breach-capitol-he-coached-constituents-just-how-hed-help-them-do-it.html)** > > Just days before Rep. Mike Nearman helped armed protesters enter the closed Oregon Capitol building, endangering fellow lawmakers and Capitol employees, he coached constituents on the exact steps to get his help breaking in ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1759 "2021-06-05T17:30:49Z")
Nearman in oregonive video: > [@](#): > > “But I don’t know anything about that, I don’t have anything to do with that, and if I did, I wouldn’t say that I did… Oh ok, at least you’re honest about being dishonest. > [@](#): > > A number of lawmakers including House Speaker Tina Kotek, D-Portland, have already called for Nearman to [resign](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/01/oregon-state-representative-fined-told-to-resign-by-house-speaker-after-letting-rioters-into-capitol.html). Earlier this year, Kotek stripped Nearman of his two committee assignments and rescinded his commission appointments. Nearman also agreed to several terms regarding his work at the Capitol, including giving up his badge to access the building, **agreeing not to let any non-authorized person inside and providing 24 hours’ notice before he enters.** (bolded) That could be in violation of Terms of Service. > [@](#): > > House Majority Leader Barbara Smith Warner, D-Portland, is one of the lawmakers who have previously called for Nearman to step down. After news of Nearman’s recorded statements broke on Friday, Smith Warner reiterated her call for his resignation, writing on Twitter: “Didn’t think it could be ANY clearer that Rep. Nearman is a traitor to our state. Resign now or face expulsion.” In the good name of Powers Booth - absolutely traitorous as fuck - put this shitheel on blast. Curious to see what will come of this Wednesday’s committee personnel report on him to determine what happens to the scumfuck. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1760 "2021-06-05T17:57:26Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > , **agreeing not to let any non-authorized person inside and providing 24 hours’ notice before he enters.** > > (bolded) That could be in violation of Terms of Service. My understanding is that that agreement was made after and in response to the incident in question. So there wouldn’t be a violation unless he did it again. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1761 "2021-06-05T17:59:58Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > The investigator should claim to be a big money donor. That’ll get him to see just about any member of Congress. Hell, they’d go to his house. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1762 "2021-06-05T18:02:08Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > My understanding is that that agreement was made after and in response to the incident in question. So there wouldn’t be a violation unless he did it again. 🤦‍♂️ Ah yes, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1763 "2021-06-07T16:10:32Z")
You’ve been _served_, m’f’er! > **[Rep. Mo Brooks served with lawsuit related to his role in Capitol insurrection...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/politics/mo-brooks-eric-swalwell-lawsuit-capitol-insurrection/index.html)** > > Alabama GOP Rep. Mo Brooks was served with a lawsuit filed by California Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell seeking to hold him partially accountable for the January 6 insurrection, according to a tweet from Brooks and an attorney for Swalwell. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1764 "2021-06-07T16:19:29Z")
So isn’t claiming that you were illegally served an admittance that you were served? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1765 "2021-06-07T19:17:55Z")
> “Well, Swalwell FINALLY did his job, served complaint (on my WIFE). HORRIBLE Swalwell’s team committed a CRIME by unlawfully sneaking INTO MY HOUSE & accosting my wife!” Brooks wrote on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/MoBrooks/status/1401627329164623873). I would say that this is a pretty good basis for a lawsuit for defamation from the process server who gave the papers to Brooks’ wife. This process server, who presumably does this in a professional capacity, has just been directly accused by a sitting politician of committing an illegal act while conducting his business. I would say that this process server has an open and shut case, as it would be easy to show that he acted legally, and that Brooks’ public lies have the potential to cause harm to the process server’s public and business profile. Politicians do not have the complete freedom to defame professionals doing their jobs by spreading lies about them. Brooks needs to be held accountable for this tweet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=89)