# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1806 "2021-06-19T14:43:22Z")
New videos: > **[Fierce Capitol attacks on police in newly released videos](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-joe-biden-capitol-siege-police-health-6b5a6c9d2069bf1325f684532d006013)** > > Videos released under court order provide a chilling new look at the chaos at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, including body camera footage that shows a man charging at a police officer with a flagpole and tackling him to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1807 "2021-06-21T13:05:36Z")
Political idiocy knows no bounds. > **[Assault on Democracy: Paths to Insurrection](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/06/us/capitol-riot-paths-to-insurrection/)** > > The Oath Keeper. The believer. The pastors. The Proud Boy. The cowboy. The political operative. Each played a role on Jan 6. Hear their stories. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1808 "2021-06-23T13:18:14Z")
A powerful statement by the sweetheart of a fallen officer. > **[I can't forgive the people who won't admit my partner, Brian Sicknick, was a...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/23/opinions/brian-sicknick-partner-grief-garza/index.html)** > > Sandra Garza met Sicknick in 2008, bonded over blueberry pancakes, past military experience and a passion for helping others. His death, after defending the Capitol Jan. 6, left her drowning in grief, she writes, but it turned to rage when she... ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1809 "2021-06-23T14:04:41Z")
“Crisis actor” in 3 … 2 … 1 … ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1810 "2021-06-23T14:27:47Z")
anna morgan-lloyd will be sentenced today. she has plead guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a capitol building”. this charge has a maximum penalty of 6 month imprisonment. the prosecution is requesting 3 years probation, 40 hours of community service, and 500 dollars. [US Capitol attack: first defendant in 6 January riot expected to be sentenced | US Capitol breach | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/23/us-capitol-riot-sentencing-anna-morgan-lloyd) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1811 "2021-06-23T15:32:29Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > anna morgan-lloyd will be sentenced today. she has plead guilty to a single misdemeanor charge of “parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a capitol building”. this charge has a maximum penalty of 6 month imprisonmen Took a plea. We’ll be seeing a lot of that. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1812 "2021-06-23T16:43:35Z")
[Graydon Young: Alleged Oath Keeper to plead guilty in first among major Capitol riot conspiracy cases - CNNPolitics](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/23/politics/oath-keeper-capitol-riot-graydon-young/index.html) it will be interesting to see if there is co operation in the plea. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1813 "2021-06-23T19:44:45Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > it will be interesting to see if there is co operation in the plea. Yep. > Young agreed to cooperate with federal investigators and cut a deal to plead guilty to two felony counts – conspiracy and obstruction of an official proceeding. He could face a likely sentence of more than five years in prison, according to estimates read at his plea hearing on Wednesday. Cooperation so he _only_ gets 5 years in prison. I’m guessing the rest of the Oath Keeper traitors are now screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1814 "2021-06-23T23:13:28Z")
He should also be required to not tell anyone he took the deal to avoid being railroaded by big government. Nor make any statements to the media other than he is guilty as charged. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1815 "2021-06-23T23:20:56Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > 40 hours of community service Fuck me, I got that for stealing a cassette tape in high school! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1816 "2021-06-23T23:27:02Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > > > 40 hours of community service > > Fuck me, I got that for stealing a cassette tape in high school! (Aerosmith classics live.) - > [http://www.e-profession.com/images/aerosmith\_classics\_live.jpg](http://www.e-profession.com/images/aerosmith_classics_live.jpg) Inflation. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1817 "2021-06-23T23:28:25Z")
You know, I looked that record up, and it looks like it was released in 2008, so that couldn’t have been the one. I thought it was, but this would have been like 1985 or so… (ETA: Further research. OK, it was that one… _ **Classics Live** _ and _ **Classics Live II** _ are a set of albums by American [rock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music) band [Aerosmith](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosmith), released in 1986 and 1987, respectively. Together, they constitute the band’s second live offering, after _[Live! Bootleg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live!_Bootleg)_ . _Classics Live I_ has gone platinum while _Classics Live II_ has gone gold." > **[Classics Live I and II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classics_Live_I_and_II)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > Classics Live and Classics Live II are a set of albums by American rock band Aerosmith, released in 1986 and 1987, respectively. Together, they constitute the band's second live offering, after Live! Bootleg. Classics Live I has gone platinum while Classics Live II has gone gold. > Classics Live! is made up of concert recordings from 1978 and 1984. Some of the recordings include guitarists Jimmy Crespo and Rick Dufay, who had temporarily replaced J... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1819 "2021-06-24T13:03:14Z")
A Federal judge sentences one rioter, and warns others: > **[Judge rebukes GOP for downplaying US Capitol riot as he hands out first...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/23/politics/capitol-rioter-sentenced/index.html)** > > A Trump supporter who spent 10 minutes inside the US Capitol during the January 6 insurrection was sentenced to probation Wednesday, avoiding jail, becoming the first rioter to learn their punishment in the riot investigation. More on the DOJ’s decision-making as to how to charge these idjits: > **[Why Garland and DOJ haven't charged anyone with sedition for the US Capitol...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/24/politics/capitol-sedition-charges-garland/index.html)** > > In the weeks after the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol, the Justice Department looked at the possibility of pursuing charges under the rarely used seditious conspiracy law. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1820 "2021-06-24T13:16:57Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > More on the DOJ’s decision-making as to how to charge these idjits: I wouldn’t charge the morons who stormed the capitol with sedition, either. I’d save those charges – plus treason – for the GOP leaders who encouraged and enabled the attack. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1821 "2021-06-24T13:29:28Z")
I dunno. The charge seems almost tailor-made for those who actually stormed the Capitol. Since there’s probable cause for the charge, if it were up to me, I’d charge just about all of 'em with this and then be willing to drop it as a bargaining chip during plea negotiations with the lesser wrongdoers: [Seditious conspiracy - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_conspiracy) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1822 "2021-06-24T13:33:19Z")
Legally, yes. But I’m thinking about the optics. Charging Joe Nobody with sedition would look like punching down. Save the heavy stuff for Trump, Giuliani, etc., and let them defend themselves against charges that they conspired to commit treason against the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1823 "2021-06-24T14:18:16Z")
Also, it’s a heavy burden of proof to achieve. Trespass is easy - they just have to have been caught inside the building - and destruction and theft for the worst offenders. But sedition likely requires clear intent and documentation thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1824 "2021-06-24T14:30:07Z")
So, if it goes to trial, you’ve given the jury something to acquit the defendant on, if they think they need to, while convicting them on the other charges. But I suspect, given the spadework the FBI is doing with all these idjits’ emails, texts and social-media posts, there will be plenty of evidence as to the rioters’ intent, and seditious conspiracy will not be all that hard to prove in many if not all such cases. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1825 "2021-06-24T15:58:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > sedition likely requires clear intent and documentation thereof. The article @Akaj just posted (thanks, that was interesting) says they are bringing conspiracy charges, though; which I would think would also require clear intent and documentation. It may be more that proof of conspiracy to trespass, and/or proof of conspiracy to obstruct the count, are a lot more clearcut to describe. The defendents are likely to claim that they weren’t trying to overthrow the legitimate government but to prevent its being overthrown. Nonsense, of course; but if a jury member believes it, there wouldn’t be a conviction for sedition. And I’m not sure there would be even if a jury member believes that the defendents believe it – which some of them probably do. I’m also thinking, or at least hoping, that the DOJ knows what to charge them with better than I do. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1826 "2021-06-24T16:03:03Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > The article @Akaj just posted It was actually @Elendil_s_Heir. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=92)