# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1827 "2021-06-24T17:06:29Z")
The latest on ghouli Rudy colludi: > **[Giuliani's law license suspended over false Trump election claims](https://news.yahoo.com/rudolph-giuliani-suspended-law-practice-152949938.html)** > > NEW YORK (Reuters) -Rudy Giuliani's New York law license was suspended on Thursday, after a state appeals court found he had lied in arguing that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from his client, former U.S. President Donald Trump. ... ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1828 "2021-06-24T17:29:34Z")
**"It is further Ordered that [Mr. Giuliani] is commanded to desist and refrain from the practice of law in any form…and _respondent is forbidden to give another an opinion as to the law or its application or advice in relation thereto._ "** So, what if he does comment on FOX or another channel about legal issues? Would that be contempt of court or impersonating a lawyer? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1829 "2021-06-24T18:22:51Z")
I hope this is just the first of the bad tidings to befall Rudy. May his suffering increase a thousandfold. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1830 "2021-06-24T18:23:05Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > The article @Akaj just posted > > It was actually @Elendil_s_Heir. Whoops, sorry, @Elendil_s_Heir! – and thanks for correction, @Akaj. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1831 "2021-06-24T18:24:49Z")
[Speaker Pelosi is forming a House Select Committee to investigate the insurrection.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/us/politics/pelosi-select-committee-jan-6-capitol.html) (NY Times link, possibly paywalled) > She said the committee would investigate the root causes of the attack, including white supremacist and extremist groups, and also Capitol security failures. > > “Most of us had our hearts set on an independent bipartisan commission similar to the 9/11 Commission,” Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland and a member of Ms. Pelosi’s leadership team, said. “We just ran into a brick wall of G.O.P. opposition. They apparently see no political mileage in undertaking any inquiry.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1832 "2021-06-24T19:05:16Z")
Good. They should have formed the committee immediately after January 6, with or without GOP involvement. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1833 "2021-06-24T19:11:48Z")
Personally, I’m with Nancy that a bi-partisan commission like the 9/11 commission would have been better. But certainly while the GOP has their fingers in their ears up to their wrists, this is the next best option. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1834 "2021-06-24T20:03:17Z")
There are still some respected GOP elders out there who never drank the Trump Kool-Aid who could be, and I think ought to be, appointed to such a commission, to emphasize its nonpartisan nature and to keep it from just being instantly shrugged off as a Democratic witchhunt - but none of them are now in the House. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1835 "2021-06-24T20:41:13Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > So, what if he does comment on FOX or another channel about legal issues? Would that be contempt of court or impersonating a lawyer From the story: > [@](#): > > “There is evidence of continuing misconduct, the underlying offense is incredibly serious, and the uncontroverted misconduct in itself will likely result in substantial permanent sanctions,” the court said. > > **Though the court rejected Giuliani’s claim that the grievance committee violated his free speech rights, the suspension does not muzzle his ability to speak publicly.** ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1836 "2021-06-25T06:25:54Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Legally, yes. But I’m thinking about the optics. Charging Joe Nobody with sedition would look like punching down. Are you serious? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1837 "2021-06-25T08:26:34Z")
LOL “respected GOP leaders” The GOP has only one leader and I ain’t got much respect for him. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1838 "2021-06-25T12:23:33Z")
> [@](#): > > # In Departure From Trump World, Pence Says He’s ‘Proud’ Of Role Certifying 2020 Election > > Former Vice President [Mike Pence](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/mike-pence) said Thursday that he was “proud” of his role in certifying the results of the 2020 presidential election on Jan. 6 after supporters of then-President [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump) stormed the U.S. Capitol in an effort to prevent the Electoral College process from concluding. > > The former vice president said there is “no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president.” > > Pence made the comments during an event at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, on Thursday night, giving some of his [sharpest departures](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/us/politics/mike-pence-trump.html) to date from the rhetoric of Trump, who has continued to reject the reality that he lost the popular count by more than 7 million votes and the Electoral College tally by 306 to 232. > **[In Departure From Trump World, Pence Says He’s ‘Proud’ Of Role Certifying...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-pence-proud-2020-election-certification_n_60d553b8e4b053314758357d)** > > The former vice president said there is "no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president." I can’t stand the guy or his politics, but I do admire his standing up for the practice of democracy. You’d think that was a low bar, but an awful lot of the elected Republicans apparently can’t clear it. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1839 "2021-06-25T12:38:58Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > You’d think that was a low bar, but an awful lot of the elected Republicans apparently can’t clear it. Why, Mike Pence, honey chile, you tied your own shoes today! I’m so _proud_ of you! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1840 "2021-06-25T12:53:13Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > LOL > > “respected GOP leaders” > > The GOP has only one leader and I ain’t got much respect for him. You misquoted me. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1841 "2021-06-25T13:00:50Z")
Mikey, you’re over five months late in rejecting the concept behind the insurrection. Don’t expect me to give you credit for saying things that could have made a difference in January. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1842 "2021-06-25T13:23:21Z")
Yep. And Kevin McCarthy gets to decide if and which Republican House members serve on the committee, and you can bet he’s not going to be appointing Liz Cheney or John Katko (who negotiated the original bill for a Jan 6 commission before McCarthy stabbed him in the back). IF Republicans play ball, it’ll probably be Jim Jordan leading the circus. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1843 "2021-06-25T13:33:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Legally, yes. But I’m thinking about the optics. Charging Joe Nobody with sedition would look like punching down. > > Are you serious? If these yahoos had been met with hot lead the instant they breached the outer barrier, I would not have shed a tear. But charging them all with capital crimes after the fact would IMO not only look overzealous, but even worse would likely result in a lot of “not guilty” verdicts and cries of “Exonerated!” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1844 "2021-06-25T14:02:09Z")
Indeed, sorry 'bout that. My point stands: those “elders” have become irrelevant. Ivanka has more pull with GOP voters than the combined Bushes. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1845 "2021-06-25T14:12:59Z")
I don’t care about GOP voters. I just don’t want the commission to lack any identifiable Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1846 "2021-06-25T14:14:57Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I just don’t want the commission to lack any identifiable Republicans. Do members of the commission have to be sitting Representatives? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=93)