# 7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 8, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020 "2021-01-08T10:28:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1847 "2021-06-25T14:24:35Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Mikey, you’re over five months late in rejecting the concept behind the insurrection. Don’t expect me to give you credit for saying things that could have made a difference in January. Also, he still has his lips firmly planted on Agent Orange’s ass. Check out the last paragraph of this article, which I quoted below: > **[‘Almost no idea more un-American’: Pence breaks with Trump on Jan. 6](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/25/pence-trump-jan-6-496237)** > > The former vice president insisted he was not constitutionally empowered to reverse the election results. > On Thursday, Pence, widely viewed as a potential 2024 Republican candidate for president, was careful to show no animosity toward Trump, even eliciting applause as he compared the former president favorably to Ronald Reagan. > “President Donald Trump is also one of a kind. He, too, disrupted the status quo. He challenged the establishment. He invigorated our movement. And he set a bold new course for America in the 21st century,” Pence said at the Reagan Library. “And now, as then, there is no going back.” ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1848 "2021-06-25T14:31:28Z")
A quote from romansperson’s post, not romansperson: > [@romansperson](#): > > “President Donald Trump is also one of a kind. He, too, disrupted the status quo. He challenged the establishment. He invigorated our movement. And he set a bold new course for America in the 21st century,” Pence said at the Reagan Library. “And now, as then, there is no going back.” Well, that’s true, but not in the way I think he meant. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1849 "2021-06-25T15:12:17Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Do members of the commission have to be sitting Representatives? As a House Select Committee, it would be composed of sitting members of the House of Representatives. The proposed January 6 Commission that would have been created through the legislation filibustered by Senate Republicans would have allowed for the appointment of members from outside of Congress. The details regarding this select committee will be part of the resolution the House will adopt creating the committee. Some of the key questions will be what is the specific investigatory scope of the committee, what is the partisan ratio of the committee, will it have subpoena power and if so how will subpoenas be approved, and what timeframe are they given to complete their work. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1850 "2021-06-25T15:13:12Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > As a House Select Committee, it would be composed of sitting members of the House of Representatives. The proposed January 6 Commission that would have been created through the legislation filibustered by Senate Republicans would have allowed for the appointment of members from outside of Congress. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1851 "2021-06-25T18:20:09Z")
After crying and expressing remorse in court and only getting probation, community service and a fine, Anna Morgan-Lloyd appears on Fox News aiding their “what insurrection?” narrative. She’s emphasizing that she can only speak to what she saw from her position, but if it’s not in her probation conditions to stay the fuck off Fox News, it should be in any future ones. [https://twitter.com/JanNWolfe/status/1408257042570256385?s=20](https://twitter.com/JanNWolfe/status/1408257042570256385?s=20) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1852 "2021-06-25T19:31:38Z")
> [@naita](#): > > After crying and expressing remorse in court and only getting probation, community service and a fine, Anna Morgan-Lloyd appears on Fox News aiding their “what insurrection?” . . . Was that segment pre-recorded? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1853 "2021-06-25T22:01:27Z")
Two- Moscow Mitch and whatshisname. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1854 "2021-06-29T12:44:44Z")
There’s an i[nteresting article in Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/29/house-republicans-january-6-insurrection-investigation-496315) this morning regarding the internal House Republican politics over whether (and whom) to appoint to the House Select Committee on the January 6 insurrection. Kevin McCarthy still hasn’t said if he’d appoint members as Minority Leader, although he already has volunteers in Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert. Interestingly, the article seems to suggest that Adam Kitzinger and Liz Cheney may agree to serve on the committee even if McCarthy declines to appoint any Republicans. There’s no rule against the Speaker appointing Republican members against the Minority Leader’s wishes, but it would be a pretty public break with the caucus on their parts. Maybe they both figure they’re toast in their next primaries and want to do some good with the time they have left. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1855 "2021-06-29T17:20:04Z")
Bless 'em if they do. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1856 "2021-06-29T17:36:42Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Interestingly, the article seems to suggest that Adam Kitzinger and Liz Cheney may agree to serve on the committee even if McCarthy declines to appoint any Republicans. There’s no rule against the Speaker appointing Republican members against the Minority Leader’s wishes, but it would be a pretty public break with the caucus on their parts. Maybe they both figure they’re toast in their next primaries and want to do some good with the time they have left. Kinzinger became a very vocal Never Trumper around the time His Orangeness started the “stolen election” bullshit; after the insurrection, Kinzinger started his own PAC to attract rational Republicans. I don’t think he has anything to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1857 "2021-06-30T22:59:55Z")
#2! > **[2nd Oath Keeper pleads guilty to conspiracy in Jan. 6 riot](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-dc-wire-fl-state-wire-al-state-wire-capitol-siege-ce81cbf1efd3faa341b48579f144cd14)** > > An Alabama man who stormed the U.S. Capitol with other members of the Oath Keepers extremist group pleaded guilty Wednesday to conspiracy and is cooperating with prosecutors in another major boost for the Justice Department in its sweeping Jan. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1858 "2021-07-01T09:09:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Defense attorneys have argued that any discussions their clients had before Jan. 6 were in reference to providing security at the rally before the riot or protecting themselves against possible attacks from antifa activists. They have denied that there was any plot to attack the Capitol or halt the certification of the vote. THEY LITERALLY MADE SHIRTS. [https://usareally.com/uploads/2021/01/09/full-screenshot-20210109t145216037-1610194944.png](https://usareally.com/uploads/2021/01/09/full-screenshot-20210109t145216037-1610194944.png) ETA: Tbf those are highly unlikely to be the same people. But let’s not pretend that the attack was all a spur of the moment thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1859 "2021-07-01T19:02:53Z")
Good news: > **[Pelosi says Liz Cheney will serve on committee that will investigate January...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-announces-members-of-january-6-committee/index.html)** > > House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced Thursday she was appointing Republican Rep. Liz Cheney to the new select committee to investigate the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, placing one of former President Donald Trump's most vocal House Republican... And bad: > **[McCarthy threatens to strip GOP members of committee assignments if they...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/politics/kevin-mccarthy-january-6-commission-committee-assignments/index.html)** > > House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy on Wednesday issued a blanket threat during a meeting with freshmen members of his caucus that he would strip any Republican member of their committee assignments if they accept an offer from House Speaker Nancy... ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1860 "2021-07-01T21:59:54Z")
Kinzinger says he doesn’t give a shit about McCarthy’s threats: > **[Kinzinger on McCarthy's Jan. 6 investigation threat: 'Who gives a s---?'](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/01/kinzinger-jan-6-investigation-threat-497505)** > > Speaker Nancy Pelosi is weighing giving one of her seats on the Jan. 6 committee to a Republican, with the Illinoisan and Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) the most likely contenders. > Rep. Adam Kinzinger knows GOP leaders wanted to scare him away from serving on the Democrat-led panel investigating the Capitol riot. And he doesn’t care one bit. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1861 "2021-07-01T22:06:10Z")
Why the hell is he even a Republican, though? I think the only way for Republicans with a conscience to beat back the neo-confederates is to help Democrats destroy their party, and they don’t do that by staying in the party. With renewed gerrymandering capabilities, Kinzinger’s going to be driven out of office by his own party anyway, as will Cheney, though redistricting won’t be a factor in her case. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1862 "2021-07-02T01:13:25Z")
Kinzinger’s a cult survivor. He was raised in a fundamentalist group and cut ties with them as an adult. I’m pretty sure this informs his attitude towards Trumpism. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1863 "2021-07-02T01:58:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Why the hell is he even a Republican, though? Kinzinger supported Trump and the vast majority of his policies. Until that “stolen election” bullshit. He’s now a Lincoln Project Republican, intent on wresting the party away from Empty Greene and the marching morons. > [@asahi](#): > > Kinzinger’s going to be driven out of office by his own party anyway I don’t know about that. As I mentioned above, he has his own PAC now. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1864 "2021-07-02T01:58:59Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Kinzinger’s a cult survivor. He and his family are members of The Calvary Baptist Church. Not really what I would call a cult. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1865 "2021-07-02T02:14:38Z")
Not the church he belongs to now, but the church he grew up in. I have read elsewhere that it’s an IFB (Independent Fundamentalist Baptist) church, which many people, including myself, consider a cult. Here’s an article where he talks about his relationship with his family. I don’t think he’s ever directly referred to the group as a cult, but in this article he talks about his family “experiencing brainwashing by conservative churches that misled them”. > **[New York Times: House Republican shunned by family members over Trump...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/15/politics/kinzinger-impeachment-family-letter/index.html)** > > Eleven members of Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger's family sent him a vitriolic letter accusing him of being a member of the "devil's army" in light of his criticism of then-President Donald Trump after the January 6 insurrection, The New York Times... ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/1866 "2021-07-02T02:41:09Z")
The “brainwashing” he talks about was a recent occurrence. It all stems from his stance on the the first impeachment. His family believes he’s crossed over to the [devil’s army](https://www.revrobschenck.com/blog/2021/2/16/z25l2hdrixkory2y6n3jdjj511cz7x) because of his disloyalty to the ex Prez. While this is certainly an extreme view, imho, it’s one that is shared by alot of the country. As to the cult thing. As far as I know he has always been a Calvary Baptist. His father was even the leader of a Baptist ministry: the [Home Sweet Home ministry.](https://hshministries.org/) Eta: Kinzinger and his wife are currently members of [The Village Christian Church](https://www.thevillagechristianchurch.com/) in Minooka, IL [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020.md?page=94)