# 7 Reasons Why not to wear "Seven Jeans" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2004, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425 "2004-07-03T22:51:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/41 "2004-07-04T19:40:09Z")
> [@JavaMaven1](#): > > Whaaaat? Not when you can buy Levi’s for around $40 or so. Levis here in Aus \*start \* at around the $100 (aud) mark and go up from there. Other designer-brand jeans can be as high as $250 (or more) a pair. That’s why I get my jeans at the Opportunity Shop. Last week, a pair of chocolate brown Levi 501’s for five bucks. Sweet. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/42 "2004-07-04T19:57:34Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Naahh… I think he was saying (in a non-homophobic way) that they’re faggoty, fag pants. I don’t read it that way, since 99% of the time I hear the phrase “queer-looking” it’s meant in a general way. Odd-looking. Which those pants certainly are. That being said, I note the first return on a [Google search for ‘“men’s jeans” + “seven for all mankind”’](http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22men%27s+jeans%22+%22seven+for+all+mankind%22&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=). 😕 ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/43 "2004-07-04T20:25:21Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I don’t read it that way, since 99% of the time I hear the phrase “queer-looking” it’s meant in a general way. Odd-looking. Which those pants certainly are. > > That being said, I note the first return on a [Google search for ‘“men’s jeans” + “seven for all mankind”’](http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22men%27s+jeans%22+%22seven+for+all+mankind%22&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=). 😕 [Now _those_ are verifiably gay jeans](http://www.internationalgays.org/jeans.html) (see the address header) ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/44 "2004-07-04T21:02:38Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I don’t read it that way, since 99% of the time I hear the phrase “queer-looking” it’s meant in a general way. Odd-looking. Which those pants certainly are. Uh, I dunno about that. I mean yeah, they’re odd-looking. But saying “queer-looking” and “the stitching is effeminate” clearly puts it into “faggoty fag pants” territory (great phrase, **astro** ). Suggesting that **Mr. Roboto** was using some non-appropriated sense of the word is just being kind of fatuous. Still, it’s kind of silly to take offense at the post. Especially since MPSIMS has had plenty of its gay-joke threads as of late. C’mon, people, it was clearly meant in fun. There are plenty of truly offensive things being said that your time would be better-spent getting uptight about. ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/45 "2004-07-04T23:03:19Z")
So, did **Mr. Roboto** buy him women’s jeans, or men’s jean? Considering the way he described how they fit, I’m tempted to think she (inadvertently) got women’s jeans for him. As for the _queer-looking_ comment, I usually assume that the use of the single word _queer_ means gay, but that _queer-looking_ means odd. Of course, I really like the word queer, and am loathe to have it be exclusively a designation of sexual preference, although it is being limited to that meaning more and more. It’s a shame because sometimes being weird just isn’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/46 "2004-07-05T02:01:57Z")
> [@Kallessa](#): > > Of course, I really like the word queer, and am loathe to have it be exclusively a designation of sexual preference, although it is being limited to that meaning more and more. Not to mention that Big Bird’s song “ab-c-def-ghi-jkl-mnop-qr-stu-vwyxz” just wouldn’t be the same. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/47 "2004-07-05T03:11:43Z")
Can someone please explain to me how stitching can be effeminate? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/48 "2004-07-05T05:06:29Z")
Well, Miss Ninjas, it’s like this: Look at the stitching on the back pocket and ask yourself if **Mockingbird** would be caught dead in those pants. At this site ([http://www2.academy.com/MktgContent.nsf/0/8DD5954D242633D686256E89005B46A1/?OpenDocument](http://www2.academy.com/MktgContent.nsf/0/8DD5954D242633D686256E89005B46A1/?OpenDocument)) you can see an assortment of stitching. There’s your basic, no stitching look, which is a maybe; the classic Levi’s chevron, which is a yes; the Lee’s wave, a strong, “I don’t think so;” and the Wrangler W, which is so nasty as to even frighten breeders away from the pants. So from this little experiment we have determined, well, not a whole lot about Seven jeans, with pocket stitching so outre that neither farmers nor our gay brothers will wear it. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/49 "2004-07-05T05:17:29Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > There was GOOD 70s clothing? 😃 Shut up!! I resemble that statement. No wait, I don’t. Even in the 70s, as a teen, I flat out REFUSED to bow to peer pressure as to what was trendy. Those shoes “UUUUUGGGGH” so clunky, clumsy and ugly. Those elephant bells, What were we THINKING??? Except for 'sizzlers", which were cute little mini dresses that had matching trim and “meant to be worn on the outside panties” called bloomers, cuz I had great legs. At any rate, this just seems to be the same thing, just like peg-legged acid wash jeans and striped cap-sleeved tee shirts were in the 80s. Like a uniform. Which is kinda funny when you think about it, all these kids dress to look “different” and they all look like carbon copies of each other. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/50 "2004-07-05T23:14:24Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > So from this little experiment we have determined, well, not a whole lot about Seven jeans, with pocket stitching so outre that neither farmers nor our gay brothers will wear it. It’s a squiggle. I mean, if they were puppies and kitties and hearts and flowers and cute lil’ baby unicorns, I could see calling it effeminate. But it’s a squiggle. ---
**Author:** ![Kayeby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de0a6/32.png) [@Kayeby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kayeby)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/51 "2004-07-06T04:31:30Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Levis here in Aus \*start \* at around the $100 (aud) mark and go up from there. Other designer-brand jeans can be as high as $250 (or more) a pair. > > That’s why I get my jeans at the Opportunity Shop. Last week, a pair of chocolate brown Levi 501’s for five bucks. Sweet. 😉 Try Dimmey’s - my friend bought Engineered Levi’s there for $40. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/52 "2004-07-06T04:42:54Z")
> [@CanvasShoes](#): > > Even in the 70s, as a teen, I flat out REFUSED to bow to peer pressure as to what was trendy. All I know is, [not having creative control over your wardrobe in 1977 was _harsh._](http://free.inkfrog.com/pix/larrymudd/mudd70s.jpg) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/53 "2004-07-06T06:38:55Z")
Wow, **Larry**. Just, . . . wow. So, how are the therapy sessions coming along? ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/54 "2004-07-06T06:39:58Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > Not to mention that Big Bird’s song “ab-c-def-ghi-jkl-mnop-qr-stu-vwyxz” just wouldn’t be the same. What’s queer about Big Bird’s alphabet song? Let me explain that I’ve never had to endure Sesame Street–I was too old when it started and I’ve never had kids (although I would have tried like hell to prevent them from watching Sesame Street, but that’s another rant). Suffice to say, I have never heard Big Bird’s song, does he use “queer” as the word for “Q”? That seems queer to me, the word queen is much easier to visualize, and both quick and quote would also work. As much as I like the word queer, it’s not a word I would use to help a child learn the alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/55 "2004-07-06T07:08:25Z")
**Kallesa** , I don’t remember the words exactly-it’s been so long since I heard it, but in the song, Big Bird pronounces the alphabet phonetically: “Abcadafigjecklmehopkingstupersays! Is the strangest word that I have ever seen!” Or something like that. He thinks that the 26 letter alphabet is a WORD itself. It’s a really cute little song. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/56 "2004-07-06T07:20:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Kallesa** , I don’t remember the words exactly-it’s been so long since I heard it, but in the song, Big Bird pronounces the alphabet phonetically: > > “Abcadafigjecklmehopkingstupersays! Is the strangest word that I have ever seen!” Or something like that. He thinks that the 26 letter alphabet is a WORD itself. It’s a really cute little song. I, on the other hand, have most of the original _Songs from Sesame Street_ album committed to memory (residue of a regular babysitting gig I had during the mid-seventies). The passage that answers **Kalessa** ’s question is: _It starts out like an “A” word, as anyone can see, But somewhere in the middle it gets awful QR to me._ ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/57 "2004-07-06T10:03:05Z")
Nothing wrong with [these](http://www.sevenforallmankind.com/fitguide_men.php?desc=boot-fit) pants. I think you’ve got your knickers in a twist. Are those pants on backwards? A $15 new pair of jeans will look, incidentally, like a stiff pair of pyjama pants. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/58 "2004-07-06T11:09:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I, on the other hand, have most of the original _Songs from Sesame Street_ album committed to memory (residue of a regular babysitting gig I had during the mid-seventies). The passage that answers **Kalessa** ’s question is: > > _It starts out like an “A” word, as anyone can see, > But somewhere in the middle it gets awful QR to me._ Oh yeah, that song. I heard it as a little kid (had the album on cassette) and never thought anything of it, either way. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/59 "2004-07-06T11:20:45Z")
> [@Kallessa](#): > > So, did **Mr. Roboto** buy him women’s jeans, or men’s jean? Considering the way he described how they fit, I’m tempted to think she (inadvertently) got women’s jeans for him. It could be. As I noted in his other thread, the men’s 7 jeans, like most men’s low-rise styles, aren’t that extreme. According to what I’ve seen on Ebay, they have a 10.5" front rise compared to a traditional 12" rise. I never tried sevens, but I have several pairs of low rise jeans…not that there’s anything wrong with that. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2004, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425/60 "2004-07-06T11:28:45Z")
> [@GingerOfTheNorth](#): > > Mr. Roboto, I have to wonder why on earth you started a second thread on these pants. You don’t like them. We got it. Now let it go! But now at least we know exactly what pants he’s talking about. Any ignorance is worth fighting, even if it takes two threads to do it. **Mr. Roboto** , I never noticed the color thing you mentioned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-reasons-why-not-to-wear-seven-jeans/253425.md?page=4)