# 8 months pregnant woman murdered for her baby. What the fuck is wrong with people? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 17, 2004, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348 "2004-12-17T15:21:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/41 "2004-12-18T14:13:42Z")
> [@presidebt](#): > > Contribution to the topic at hand: This crime was perpetrated by two men and a woman. Capital punishment is not punishment enough in my opinion. Of course, I have no idea what would be punishment enough. Crucifiction. Stories like this make me rethink the wisdom of the 8th Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/42 "2004-12-18T15:10:56Z")
Because the baby was believed to have been brought into a hospital here in Topeka, for a short period, this story is of course the lead article in the Topeka Capital-Journal this morning. I work right across the street from that hospital, and can actually see the corner of the building from where I’m sitting now. Glad to hear the baby is alive. I can’t imagine how dreadful it is for the poor father, to be widowed in such a horrific fashion, and left with a tiny baby to care for. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/43 "2004-12-18T15:17:51Z")
I cannot help but note the number of sick and twisted news stories that come from Missouri. I retired there. Sad, sick, state. (Sorry for the generalization. I call them like I see them.) ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/44 "2004-12-18T15:42:02Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > But look at it from a cop’s POV. You HAVE to look at the husband first, if for no other reason than to eliminate him as a suspect. From a cop’s point of view, fine. Of course the police should automatically investigate the husband first. But from a journalistic pov, mentioning a man’s non-status as a suspect in a breaking news item seems lurid and sensationalistic. What a slap in the face to the husbands and lovers of the 38% of murdered women who _weren’t_ done in by intimate partners. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/45 "2004-12-18T15:54:58Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > From a cop’s point of view, fine. Of course the police should automatically investigate the husband first. But from a journalistic pov, mentioning a man’s non-status as a suspect in a breaking news item seems lurid and sensationalistic. What a slap in the face to the husbands and lovers of the 38% of murdered women who _weren’t_ done in by intimate partners. But the reality is that the readers are going to want to know about the husband first. If nothing is mentioned the readers are still going to want to know. If the husband can be eliminated as a suspect, then that in itself is newsworthy and there is no reason not to print it. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/46 "2004-12-18T16:27:30Z")
I’m with **Dio**. Often, you can “read between the lines” in news stories and suss out stuff by what they choose _not_ to say. Even if you’re wrong in your conclusions, it’s human nature to do that. If I were the husband, and I knew my co-workers et al would be reading the papers, I would definitely want it widely known that my alibi was hermetically sealed. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/47 "2004-12-18T16:39:53Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I remember Scott Peterson’s lawyer putting forth the ‘satanic cultist’ idea in the press before the trial started… > > There have been a lot of cases where husbands have killed their wives and tried to stage the scene to suggest that a psycho did it. Granted, their attempts usually fail. But look at it from a cop’s POV. You HAVE to look at the husband first, if for no other reason than to \*eliminate \* him as a suspect. SOP, IMO. The fact that they have to (and should) make sure that Dad didn’t do it does in no way mean that the media should make light of this fact. As far as being something readers want to know, “the husband is not a suspect” has all the reassurance of “Made with 100% real meat”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/48 "2004-12-18T16:40:20Z")
> [@kung fu lola](#): > > I’m with **Dio**. Often, you can “read between the lines” in news stories and suss out stuff by what they choose _not_ to say. Even if you’re wrong in your conclusions, it’s human nature to do that. If I were the husband, and I knew my co-workers et al would be reading the papers, I would definitely want it widely known that my alibi was hermetically sealed. Exactly. The husband and/or the police may even specifically _request_ that the press report that the husband has been eliminated as a suspect in order to shut down any public suspicion or speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/49 "2004-12-18T17:01:13Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > If the culprit can be positively nailed and it’s determined this was done in cold blood, the poison needle’s too good. I’m thinking something among a more Promethean line, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/50 "2004-12-18T17:20:59Z")
No. Torture implies an acknowledged shared humanity, even a certain amount respect, that we think he/she is worth wasting time on. If the case is as it seems, such a person should be dealt with in the manner one would a defective piece of machinery; indifferently terminated, the remains discarded and destroyed as useless pieces of scrap. Or perhaps in the best of Orwellian tradition: vaporized, all traces of former life gone. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/51 "2004-12-18T18:47:36Z")
Fetuses, babys, god, suspects, bleh… Now to the real issue. How can someone convince themselves that they need something so badly, that they would kill for it? I myself have enough trouble patting someone on the back, much less kill anyone! What the fuck is going on inside the minds of these fucking pieces of shit? I don’t understand. This women should die of the most painful possible death, disembowelment while alive, on fucking FOX. Fucking cuntbag. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/52 "2004-12-18T22:17:56Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I cannot help but note the number of sick and twisted news stories that come from Missouri. I retired there. Sad, sick, state. > > (Sorry for the generalization. I call them like I see them.) Well it looks like some screw-fuck from Kansas may have traveled to Missouri just to help you “call them like you see them”. Maybe if I stick my head up my ass like you apparently did to make your comment I can convince myself that Kansas is a sad, sick, state. Clarification: I don’t think that Kansas is sad or sick. It is though often boring and ugly. And I reallly hope that **Paul’s** condition is temporary. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/53 "2004-12-19T03:37:05Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > No. Torture implies an acknowledged shared humanity, even a certain amount respect, that we think he/she is worth wasting time on. If the case is as it seems, such a person should be dealt with in the manner one would a defective piece of machinery; indifferently terminated, the remains discarded and destroyed as useless pieces of scrap. Or perhaps in the best of Orwellian tradition: vaporized, all traces of former life gone. I must disagree, if only for the reason that society may benefit from the murderer’s being kept alive…kept alive for scientific research, that is. Something along the lines of strapping the killer to a table, opening up her skull, and methodically slicing apart her brain to see if we can determine the cause of why or how her mind could drive her to commit this grotesque crime. (And even if we don’t find it…hey, at least we checked. And “in the spirit of science, there really is no such thing as a failed experiment. Any test that yields valid data is a valid test, and failures tell you what won’t work.”) Best case scenario, we might learn enough to find a way of keeping people from doing this in the future. Or at least, we’d be able to further our understanding of the human brain. _Afterwards,_ aside from the tissue samples that would need to be kept for further study, other organs and tissues might be harvested to save the lives of other people. (At least…what, 8 different people can be saved with the organs of one person? Not even counting corneas, bone marrow, blood, skin, etc.) Whatevers left of the corpse after that might be used in the famous “body farm” to study human decay, or perhaps as animal feed or chum. Or maybe as fertilizer for some endangered rainforest, or wildfire-scorched land. I just support recycling, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Vindi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Vindi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vindi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/54 "2004-12-19T05:17:07Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I cannot help but note the number of sick and twisted news stories that come from Missouri. I retired there. Sad, sick, state. > > (Sorry for the generalization. I call them like I see them.) Never mind the majority of the rest of the residents of Missouri and Kansas who are not sick or twisted and have been sick in our hearts for Bobbi Jo and Zeb’s family. Your a tick on the backside of my dog’s butt, mister. Calling it as I see it. ---
**Author:** ![stately\_plump\_buck\_mulligan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/858c86/32.png) [@stately\_plump\_buck\_mulligan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stately_plump_buck_mulligan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/55 "2004-12-19T05:46:45Z")
The incident? Absolutely fucking terrifying. Goes without saying. But this caught my eye from the [Fox News article](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141936,00.html) : > [@](#): > > “You read about this stuff,” Sage said. “It blows you away when it’s here. This stuff is supposed to be in New York City or Los Angeles.” YEAH! Only us barbaric city-folk would rip babies out of wombs like that. What the fuck ever, Kathy Sage. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/56 "2004-12-19T05:48:07Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > That is quite possibly the most horrific thing I’ve ever heard. Me too. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Vindi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Vindi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vindi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/57 "2004-12-19T14:08:57Z")
> [@stately plump buck mulligan](#): > > The incident? Absolutely fucking terrifying. Goes without saying. > > But this caught my eye from the [Fox News article](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141936,00.html) : > > YEAH! Only us barbaric city-folk would rip babies out of wombs like that. What the fuck ever, Kathy Sage. Oh Please. You know what the woman is saying. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/58 "2004-12-19T14:23:08Z")
> [@Vindi](#): > > Oh Please. You know what the woman is saying. Yes, she’s making the same “head up your ass” statement as **Paul in Saudi**. There’s no special living area for sick and twisted people. Larger population centers may have more sickos but they have more non-sickos too. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/59 "2004-12-19T14:33:08Z")
My apologies to you all for my outburst. Like everyone, I reacted very emotionally to this news. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348/60 "2004-12-20T00:14:51Z")
**Paul** , I knew it was a temporary condition. 😃 I apolagize too for jumping on you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-months-pregnant-woman-murdered-for-her-baby-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-people/280348.md?page=4)