# 8 UN workers killed, as Afghans protest US pastor's Quran-burning - Hope Pastor Jones is happy now **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809 "2011-04-01T16:08:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Rotlla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/278dde/32.png) [@Rotlla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rotlla)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/161 "2011-04-02T22:02:12Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Screw these assholes. I’m ready to burn a Quran, or maybe a bunch of them, just to give these fuckers the finger. Maybe a national burn the Quran day is in order. > > I’m sick of us trying to appease these fanatical dickheads Making you approximately the five hundredth poster who doesn’t give half a shit about the fact that this was never about burning the Qur’an in the first place. Nope. I guess insulting those ragheads is a higher priority than worrying in the slightest about what the actual situation was. Between this thread, the thread where some GOP operative got away with claiming that an FDA initiative launched under a GOP administration was the fault of the Dems, and that racism thread, I’m starting to get a very complete picture of what this community is like. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/162 "2011-04-02T22:17:45Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Screw these assholes. I’m ready to burn a Quran, or maybe a bunch of them, just to give these fuckers the finger. Maybe a national burn the Quran day is in order. > > I’m sick of us trying to appease these fanatical dickheads When have we ever tried to “appease” them? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/163 "2011-04-02T22:18:28Z")
I know it’s a radical concept, but maybe it’s time we turn this from “don’t do that or the fanatics will explode” to “the fanatics learning that if they get out of line, we’ll explode” Of course that would only work for people able to get a grasp on reality and the concept that THEIR actions have consequences. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/164 "2011-04-02T22:20:09Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Tiptoeing” IS what people are doing when they refuse to spread the blame to Pastor Jones. It’s just a _Christian_ crazy they are tiptoeing around. Uh huh. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/165 "2011-04-02T22:23:26Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > They demand the whole fucking world avoid any conceivable insult to their religion, or they will riot and/or kill innocent people. As they did in this instance. As they have done countless times before. As they will do in the future. Until the entire fucking world bows to their Sacred Cow. You are absolutely right; let’s rise up in righteous fury and obliterate each and every one of the barbarians. And when that is done, let’s rise up in fury and obliterate each and every one of the barbarous Christians who attempt to impose their points of view on us, the truly secular citizens of the USA. Let’s obliterate each and every politician who attempts to bring a god (any god) into a discussion of politics and let’s continue to obliterate them until we truly do have separation of church and state. Let’s never again have religion in any form be a part of our government. I’m not kidding about this; I’d like to see organized religion of any creed completely wiped out. I’ve forgotten who said that mankind would never be free until the last priest was crushed by the last stone of the last church but he had his cap on straight. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/166 "2011-04-02T22:25:21Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I know it’s a radical concept, but maybe it’s time we turn this from “don’t do that or the fanatics will explode” to “the fanatics learning that if they get out of line, we’ll explode” What do you feel you are unable to do because of “fanatics,” and what do you mean by “we’ll explode?” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/167 "2011-04-02T22:27:30Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > They demand the whole fucking world avoid any conceivable insult to their religion, or they will riot and/or kill innocent people. As they did in this instance. As they have done countless times before. As they will do in the future. Until the entire fucking world bows to their Sacred Cow. Who is “they?” ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/168 "2011-04-02T22:41:50Z")
> [@Rotlla](#): > > I already stated it explicitly, and it was stated explicitly earlier in this thread. > > I mean this kindly, but do you have some sort of cognitive impairment that inhibits your ability to remember things that happened recently? I didn’t mean by _you_ asshole. How can you possibly know that? Execution by beheading does have a certain Islamist connotation these days, and an angry Muslim military insurgent is still and angry Muslim. And looky here: [Five Dead in Second Day of Quran Burning Protests](http://www.indianexpress.com/news/five-dead-in-second-day-of-afghan-quran-burning-protests/770728/) The article reports that the Taliban are exploiting or orchestrating the situation, but there clearly plenty of authentic rage underlying the violence. It’s not like there are strictly 2 kinds of people over there, those who are committing acts of violence but who are indifferent to the Quran burning and those who are angry about it but who are remaining non-violent. I think there’s some overlap. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/169 "2011-04-02T22:47:20Z")
I think that everybody who wants to be violent is already being violent. I don’t believe that the Quran burning is the one thing that’s going to push anybody over to the dark side. The US has done a hell of a lot worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/170 "2011-04-02T22:49:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That’s what is happening here. People are letting a Christian fanatic jerk them around to set them against the Muslims he hates. And all the while they condemn the fanaticism of one side while defending the fanaticism of the other. Pastor Moustache didn’t kill anyone. That’s not an “attitude,” that’s a hard fact. All your blathering about people _like_ him being murderers is just you straining to connect dots with your fat crayon. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/171 "2011-04-02T22:50:04Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > So let’s tiptoe around the crazies of the world lest they do something crazy? > > Listen, obviously Salinger didn’t know that one day a sick, unstable man would use his words to fuel and justify his brutal act of violence. I am arguing that even if he HAD known, he still wouldn’t have been the least bit to blame had he chosen to publish his novel anyway. There’s nothing remotely unethical about expressing your opinion. > > Pastor Jones expressed an opinion and snubbed another religion. I can’t count the number of times that someone has criticized MY religion on these boards. Happily, we’re living in an age where most of the world has learned to accept criticism of our mother, our baseball team, our government, and even our religion without resorting to violence. In short, we’ve evolved. Just because some groups choose to remain in the dark ages, and act like barbarians, doesn’t mean that the rest of the world should alter our behavior to kowtow to the crazies. It is not our duty to protect them from their own immense failures as human beings. Um, so we’re in agreement, then? The tome of your post seems like we’re not, but the words make it seem like we are. I’ll go with the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/172 "2011-04-02T22:51:04Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > and what do you mean by “we’ll explode?” Kill Muslims at random. Look at all the people who supported our slaughter of the Iraqis by referring to 9-11. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/173 "2011-04-02T22:51:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **flickster** : How would that prove you’re better than them? He’d be showing his outrage without killing and beheading anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Rotlla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/278dde/32.png) [@Rotlla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rotlla)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/174 "2011-04-02T22:51:51Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I know it’s a radical concept, but maybe it’s time we turn this from “don’t do that or the fanatics will explode” to “the fanatics learning that if they get out of line, we’ll explode” > Of course that would only work for people able to get a grasp on reality and the concept that THEIR actions have consequences. I’ve got an even more radical idea. Let’s embrace reality on REALITY’S terms, pay attention to what’s ACTUALLY happening, and let go of dumbass cowboy shit like this idiocy. But that will never fucking happen. Not in America. And obviously not at the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/175 "2011-04-02T22:55:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He’d be showing his outrage without killing and beheading anyone? :rolleyes: No, he’s just calling for us to “explode”. Far more moral and enlightened. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/176 "2011-04-02T23:02:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **flickster** : How would that prove you’re better than them? Because he destroyed his own property to make a point instead of killing innocent people to try to bully foreigners? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/177 "2011-04-02T23:04:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He’d be showing his outrage without killing and beheading anyone? He said we should show our outrage by “exploding,” which means what? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/178 "2011-04-02T23:07:46Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I think everybody has been consistent, actually, on both sides. At least I’m not aware of anyone being _in_consistent. I think **Guin** just made assumptions without actually checking. I personally have consistently been all in favor of religious descration of any sort as long as it does not involve injury to anyone else’s person or property. No hypocrisy on my part. You’re right – I went back and checked and I appologized. My only explanation is that I get sick of all the religious bashing threads anymore. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “Tiptoeing” IS what people are doing when they refuse to spread the blame to Pastor Jones. It’s just a _Christian_ crazy they are tiptoeing around. > > In other words, do just what Richards wants. Be a good little puppet for the fanatic, as long as it’s a _Christian_ fanatic. > > That’s what is happening here. People are letting a Christian fanatic jerk them around to set them against the Muslims he hates. And all the while they condemn the fanaticism of one side while defending the fanaticism of the other. Tell me, how the hell can you still see your computer screen, what with it covered with so much spittle? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/179 "2011-04-02T23:18:12Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > He said we should show our outrage by “exploding,” which means what? You’ll have to ask him what he meant by it. I did, however respond to **Elvis** without seeing **flickster’s** subsequent statement. I started at the top of the page and scrolled down and responded when I got to the question from **Elvis**. Depending on **flickster’s** answer to your question about what he means by “explode”, I may or may have not posted what I did. But it seems to me that getting angry and stomping one’s feet and giving them the finger and burning books is a much less barbaric way of dealing with things than killing and beheading people. But maybe that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809/180 "2011-04-02T23:18:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Pastor Moustache didn’t kill anyone. That’s not an “attitude,” that’s a hard fact. All your blathering about people _like_ him being murderers is just you straining to connect dots with your fat crayon. Nonsense. He killed those UN workers just as much as the people who committed the actual act. That’s _why_ he did what he did. He knew he could whip up religious hate, get people killed, and then sit back and smirk while people like you defend him. The Right does that all the time. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Tell me, how the hell can you still see your computer screen, what with it covered with so much spittle? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Ah, yes. I’m one of the ones _not_ calling for religious hatred and violence and I’m the one spitting on the screen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-un-workers-killed-as-afghans-protest-us-pastors-quran-burning-hope-pastor-jones-is-happy-now/576809.md?page=10)