# 8 Year Old Japanese Girl Plays Drums On "Good Times, Bad Times" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113 "2018-06-14T20:56:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/41 "2018-06-17T00:48:32Z")
Should one be worried about the high level of noise reaching her still immature ears. Does she (should she) probably wear ear plugs? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/42 "2018-06-17T01:02:10Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > Should one be worried about the high level of noise reaching her still immature ears. Does she (should she) probably wear ear plugs? She is. She has those in-ear monitors. Rather than the (now) old fashioned speakers directed toward the musicians. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/43 "2018-06-17T02:06:05Z")
She’s pretty good. What impresses me is that very few 8-year-olds have the motivation to work hard enough to get where she has gotten, and she deserves the recognition. But really, the unusual thing about this video is that she is 8. Google “child prodigy drummers” and you will find all kinds of this stuff. Kids that are that accomplished that young almost never keep up that trajectory to become musical superstars. They might become pros, but they melt into the woodwork. The video sounds like it is the full Zep recording; if it had been a minus-drums recording it would have shown up any weakness in her performance a little more. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/44 "2018-06-17T22:24:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Off topic but quite a few other discussions going on are also, and I thought you more techy guys might enjoy this superb video explicating some of what made John Bonham such a great drummer. IMO really starts getting good and educational at about the one minute mark. > > [What Makes John Bonham Such A Good Drummer?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvOm2oZRQIk) Thanks for posting this. I’m not “techy” at all - in fact I don’t even know how to play an instrument - but now I finally understand how and why certain Zep songs work the way they do. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/45 "2018-06-17T23:09:34Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Thanks for posting this. I’m not “techy” at all - in fact I don’t even know how to play an instrument - but now I finally understand how and why certain Zep songs work the way they do. Thanks, same here. I could have written your post myself had someone else posted the link. Wouldn’t it be great to have a video like this for each Zeppelin song and on the playing/singing of each band member? It would be monumental task but imagine how much more magnified and intensified your appreciation of their music and of them as individual musicians would be. ---
**Author:** ![LLCoolL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/llcooll/32/3596_2.png) [@LLCoolL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LLCoolL)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/46 "2018-06-18T09:56:48Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Thanks for posting this. I’m not “techy” at all - in fact I don’t even know how to play an instrument - but now I finally understand how and why certain Zep songs work the way they do. I am not a musician either, but I watched the video, and I think I understood about 70% of it. I can feel what LZ are doing in my gut, but this gives me a little more insight into how they’re doing it. I was recently having a discussion with a musician buddy of mine about Bonham vs. Neil Peart. (Apples vs. Oranges - both of us admire them both, just for different reasons.) I’m forwarding the link to my friend. Thanks, StarvingArtist! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/47 "2018-06-18T12:56:00Z")
> [@LLCoolL](#): > > I am not a musician either, but I watched the video, and I think I understood about 70% of it. I can feel what LZ are doing in my gut, but this gives me a little more insight into how they’re doing it. > > I was recently having a discussion with a musician buddy of mine about Bonham vs. Neil Peart. (Apples vs. Oranges - both of us admire them both, just for different reasons.) I’m forwarding the link to my friend. Thanks, StarvingArtist! It’s an interesting video, although I don’t quite agree with all his explanations, like especially the _Fool in the Rain_ one. It’s a cool beat, but calling it polyrhythmic in 4/4 with 12/8 guitar/keyboards over it is seriously overcomplicating it. It’s definitely a cool beat, but it’s just a type of shuffle groove (based on Bernard Purdie’s work.) But it does feature a couple of the things that make me love Bonham so much: those ghost notes (which contribute immensely to the groove), a solid kick drum, pounding the hell out of the drums while incorporating subtle dynamic touches (like the ghost notes on the snare, open hi hat flourishes, etc), and his laid back, slightly behind the beat feel. Oh, and that snare sound! Or just [listen to the isolated track](https://youtu.be/G8cSe7RvqSM?t=16) (Warning: starts off with a “fucking hell,” so the link is set to go a few seconds into the video to avoid it just in case) and how it just grooves and makes you want to stand up and shake your ass. Just listen to the balance of power between the kick and the snare, intermixed with the subtleties of the rest of the kit. I mean, that is a _groove_. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/48 "2018-06-18T14:51:36Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > It’s a cool beat, but calling it polyrhythmic in 4/4 with 12/8 guitar/keyboards over it is seriously overcomplicating it. It’s definitely a cool beat, but it’s just a type of shuffle groove (based on Bernard Purdie’s work.) I agree it’s in 4/4 but it is informed by an underlying 12/8 feel. That’s nothing fancy–blues players have been doing that for many decades (a fun example is how the Allman Brothers did Stormy Monday in 4 with a 12/8 foundation, and broke into a straight 12/8 feel for the organ solo). You can hear Bonham throwing in those triplets. Even [Purdie himself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1j1_aeK6WA) explains his shuffle by relating it to 12/8. A standard shuffle is dotted quarter-eighth. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/49 "2018-06-18T14:54:28Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > I agree it’s in 4/4 but it is informed by an underlying 12/8 feel. You can hear Bonham throwing in those triplets. Even [Purdie himself](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1j1_aeK6WA) explains his shuffle by relating it to 12/8. A standard shuffle is dotted quarter-eighth. Yes. I’ve seen all that. There’s a lot I would unpack there, but I don’t want to derail the discussion. You can look at the whole thing as a 12/8 feel, or a 4/4 swing. Two different ways of saying the same thing. What you don’t need to do is say that the drums are in 4/4 and the guitars are in 12/8. They’re all locked into the same time. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/50 "2018-06-18T15:09:18Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > A standard shuffle is dotted quarter-eighth. And this I would disagree with. The term is more nebulous than that. A triplet pattern of 2:1 is also a standard shuffle. Just google “shuffle rhythm.” What you’re describing is what I’d call a “hard shuffle.” All the term means is that in an eighth note pair, lengthen the first eighth note and make the second shorter. I used to use the term like you’re using it, to indicate a 3:1 ratio (like dotted eighth followed by a sixteenth), but I’ve realized that it more often refers to a 2:1 ratio (quarter followed by eighth in a triplet.) It just means what it sounds like: somebody shuffling along as opposed to rigidly marching in time. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/51 "2018-06-20T07:07:29Z")
[Robert Plant getting a look at the girl in the OP.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYr6H2mGxk) ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/52 "2018-06-20T14:44:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Robert Plant getting a look at the girl in the OP.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYr6H2mGxk) Love his reaction to those triplets in the kick. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/53 "2018-06-20T16:50:23Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > And this I would disagree with. […]I used to use the term like you’re using it[…] Concede. I think about 40 years ago my definition was the standard one but times have changed and I have not adequately kept up. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/54 "2018-06-24T19:05:08Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Also the German drummer girl Sina, who’s posted tons of covers but has posted some pretty cool music of her own. [Sina is awesome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4G1CWam2go). ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113/55 "2018-06-24T20:07:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Robert Plant getting a look at the girl in the OP.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XYr6H2mGxk) That was wonderful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/8-year-old-japanese-girl-plays-drums-on-good-times-bad-times/816113.md?page=2)