# 9/11 Anniversary B.S. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2003, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708 "2003-08-12T19:25:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/61 "2003-08-13T13:02:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*You say it’s innaccurate, then say this? > > It was these bottom dwellers that I think he was refering to. \*\* I don’t think the gentleman was referring to a few dozen ill-bred idiots selling t-shirts. He was making a generalisation. I mean, really, you can find more german nazis, more arab terrorists, more irish suicide bombers, more czech communists, more sdmb regulars to the right of december than you will find 9/11 street vendor assholes in ny. This is not a debate about a dozen or so loonies. The gentleman was not referring to lone nutcases, I think… he was making a statement about the general mood of Americans. I do apologise if he was, in fact, referring to a lone nutcase or two. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/62 "2003-08-13T13:05:19Z")
I think he was also refering to some of the nutcases who work at the TV networks. ---
**Author:** ![FP\_work](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/85e7bf/32.png) [@FP\_work](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FP_work)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/63 "2003-08-13T13:31:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Asylum \* > \*\*Also, I generally don’t feel that it is appropriate to name call or be condescending when in an argument or debate > > _snip_ > > And on preview, **rjung** , you’re behavior is atrocious and you’re a fucking asshole. \*\* Well I’m glad to see that your regret at resorting to petty insults and name-calling lasted all of 10 seconds. Congratulations. I agree with the OP on the issue of 9/11 mourning. I don’t want to ignore it, I don’t want to forget it. I simply want to move on. I understand that some people are, for whatever reason, not ready to do so yet. That’s perfectly understandable and I hope they get some kind of relief from their grief in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/64 "2003-08-13T14:09:11Z")
Addressing the Op: ``` When I was young and my father was away for a few days, I remember waking up at midnight and walking downstairs to see my mother crying, an empty wine glass in front of her, watching 'Tora Tora Tora' on the late movie. Evidently there had been a boyfriend that she was quite serious about who had gone down with the USS Arizona. Almost 4 decades had passed and she still felt anger, rage and hatred. I don't expect that I'll be much different in 40 years. Yes, friends died that day. Faces who I didn't know but whom I saw on the train daily disappeared. And the morning crowd of 'lemmings in suits' crushing through Hoboken's yellow tiled walls to the PATH, a group that I had been up until that point a daily member of, seemed much smaller. I know I'll never forgive the STUPID FUCKERS <this is the Pit, I'm allowed> that did this, no matter the reason. But that's my own private hatred. I don't think I can ever completely let it go. I know I can't let go most of it until we catch Osama Bin Laden. And we're not even looking anymore. ``` About The Politics: In WW2, one party never claimed to be the party of ‘Liberty’ or that it alone had a monopoly on the flag. No party would have Dared to. Have the American people lost so much intelligence since then as to have allowed themselves to be manipulated so blindly? Or were words like ‘Quizling’ and ‘Nazi’ and ‘Propaganda’ and ‘Fatherland Defense’ just fresher in our minds? “Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. it is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacefists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” -Herrmann Goering, Hitler’s Reich-Marshall at the Nuremberg Trials after WWII ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/65 "2003-08-13T14:13:52Z")
I am in New York. It has affected me deeply emotionally and the economy has not recovered, which means I haven’t had a permanent job the whole time since I was laid off because of the downturn in business cause by 9/11. Life is still divided into “before” and “after”. Coincidentally, there’s an column about it in [NY Times](http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/13/nyregion/13ABOU.html) today. Look, if you’re indifferent, just shut up and ignore the commemorations, but please don’t impugn those of us who want to remember. Our tears are and were real and have nothing to do with who we voted for. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/66 "2003-08-13T14:32:03Z")
I work across the street, pass the site every morning on my way in. I don’t want to forget, and I’m not going to. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/67 "2003-08-13T15:07:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by zuma \* > **I don’t think the gentleman was referring to a few dozen ill-bred idiots selling t-shirts. He was making a generalisation. I mean, really, you can find more german nazis, more arab terrorists, more irish suicide bombers, more czech communists, more sdmb regulars to the right of december than you will find 9/11 street vendor assholes in ny. This is not a debate about a dozen or so loonies.** I stand by what I said, take it or mistake it anyway you want. [sub]Hint: Listen to **Spooje** [/sub] ---
**Author:** ![NailBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecae2f/32.png) [@NailBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NailBunny)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/68 "2003-08-13T16:39:05Z")
Last year on the 1st anniversary, they played a radio spot here in Reno by…one of the members of Incubus, I think. Anyway, it went something like (completely and totally paraphrasing) “Turn off your television, turn off your radios, be with your family and friends and loved ones and tell them how much you love them.” I hate Incubus, but man, I can get behind that. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/69 "2003-08-13T18:03:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Asylum \* > And on preview, **rjung** , you’re behavior is atrocious and you’re a fucking asshole. Since this is the Pit, I’ll kindly ask you to bite me. Just because _some_ of us have enough respect for the victims of 9/11 and don’t want to see their deaths turned into political trimmings for **anybody** (least of all the candidate whose campaign staff _already has plans to do just that_) is no justification for you to get pissy about it. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/70 "2003-08-13T18:25:20Z")
To be honest I think a Dem would do the same thing Bush will end up doing. ---
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/71 "2003-08-13T18:39:36Z")
Of course they would! And then Republicans would charge in here and jump all over it. It does not matter what party does it, it is still tacky. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/72 "2003-08-13T18:44:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*Since this is the Pit, I’ll kindly ask you to bite me. > > Just because _some_ of us have enough respect for the victims of 9/11 and don’t want to see their deaths turned into political trimmings for **anybody** (least of all the candidate whose campaign staff _already has plans to do just that_) is no justification for you to get pissy about it. \*\* Fuck you. Get off of your imaginary high horse. You came in here to piss on the thread with a partisan cheapshot, and now you’re hiding behind “respect for the victims.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/73 "2003-08-13T18:46:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aries28 \* > \*\*It does not matter what party does it, it is still tacky. \*\* Naturally. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/74 "2003-08-13T18:47:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Just because some of us have enough respect for the victims of 9/11 and don’t want to see their deaths turned into political trimmings for anybody (least of all the candidate whose campaign staff already has plans to do just that) is no justification for you to get pissy about it. Well, in your opinion, is there any way for Bush to commemorate the 9/11 anniversary that you would consider apolitical and respectful? No matter how much you despise the man, he _is_ the president of this nation, and he is expected to observe the occasion in his official capacity. All you need is a blond wig and falsies to be the Ann Coulter of the left, for you are a perfect match for her brand of incendiary venom and partisan backbiting. I have no use for Dubya whatsoever, but no matter how much I disagree with him and his policies, I can rise above my partisan feelings to stand alongside him as an American marking an event which shook all of us, left and right alike. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/75 "2003-08-13T18:48:29Z")
Anybody noticing an email spam spike in “9/11/terrorist/al-quaeda/etc memorabilia” etc? I haven’t gotten it yet, but I tend to use spamcatcher email addresses to sign up for stuff anyway. And I never check that address, so… At least the “Iraqi dogs of war deck of cards” (or however that went) emails have stopped… ---
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/76 "2003-08-13T18:50:24Z")
[hijack] Yay! **Gobear** is back and posting as eloquently as ever. I was just thinking earlier today that I haven’t seen any posts from you lately. [carry on] ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/77 "2003-08-13T19:06:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > **No matter how much you despise the man, he _is_ the president of this nation, and he is expected to observe the occasion in his official capacity.** By timing the start of his re-election campaign to coincide with the third anniversary of 9/11? If the cite above is correct, then I hope we can agree that this is a completely _in_appropriate way to “observe the occasion.” > [@](#): > > **The tensions over the release of 9-11 related material seems especially relevant—if not ironic—in light of recent reports that the president’s political advisers have devised an unusual re-election strategy that essentially uses the story of September 11 as the liftoff for his campaign. The White House is delaying the Republican nominating convention, scheduled for New York City, until the first week in September 2004—the latest in the party’s history. That would allow Bush’s acceptance speech, now slated for Sept. 2, to meld seamlessly into 9-11 commemoration events due to take place in the city the next week.** To me, this is exactly the sort of shit this thread is about: abuse of the tragic events of 9/11 to further one’s political career. If it’s true, Bush and his political advisors deserve every bit of bile that can be heaped on them for this. _Any_ poltician, left or right, should be thoroughly raked over the coals for this sort of thing. Frankly, it disgusts me to think about it. Mind you, I’m not giving full credence to that report just yet… I’ve not heard that claim substantiated, and it may be just a rumor. I wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility, but I at least have hopes that even the worst politicians would have the smarts not to stoop that low. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/78 "2003-08-13T19:07:59Z")
> [@](#): > > By timing the start of his re-election campaign to coincide with the third anniversary of 9/11? If the cite above is correct, then I hope we can agree that this is a completely inappropriate way to “observe the occasion.” IF he actually timed the campaign to kick-off in 9/11, then you might have a valid complaint. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/79 "2003-08-13T19:09:03Z")
And thank you for the kind words, **Aries28**. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708/80 "2003-08-13T19:09:37Z")
I think **Gobear** raised a damn good point. In which way should Bush spend 9/11 to avoid drawing ire? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-anniversary-b-s/194708.md?page=5)