Before you do that, please look at this explanation.
Evidence point to it being Aluminum.
And, yes, it is common knowledge among people that debunked that “molten steel flow” point a long time ago.
Y’know, you’re on a messageboard where probably over half the membership thinks W. should’ve been impeached over lying about WMDs. (And where the most vigorous defenses of Bush on the issue tend to boil down to “If he sincerely believed the WMDs existed then it’s not technically a lie when it turned out to be BS.”)
There is no evidence against the so-called official story. And, in my humble opinion, you Truthers are doing yourself no service whatsoever by continuing with that label against the scientifically-valid, scientifically-determined, evidence-based findings.
You could also post a video of glacial run-off but that would have no bearing on what happened in New York City on 11 September 2001 because there was no glacial run-off. It’s the same situation. You’re fishing around for a video of what something that did not appear at the site looks like at a different site.
Cool! While you’re off getting that, I think I’ll go get a video of a baseball game. I like baseball.
Don’t American railroad tracks have expansion joints? 
Tell that to the buildings it damaged and the streets it blocked.
‘molten metal’ -yeah right.
hot spots? Sure. That will happen after any building fire. What did you expect?
Neurologists should be alerted to this unusual phenomenon. Absorbing the meme “the fire wasn’t hot enough to melt the steel” somehow causes the mental deletion of the meme “the fire was hot enough to soften the steel” and prevents it from ever being recognized again. It’s like a form of aphasia.
Are you referring to the meteor?
If so, you are most certainly wrong as it is not formerly ‘molten steel’. It is a bunch of floor & building material compressed together from the power of the collapse.
How do we know it is not molten steel? First of all it has chunks of rebar sticking out of it. Rebar is steel but has a lower melting point that structural steel. That alone should tell you everything you need to know.
Get one of the really high res photos and you’ll see bits of paper sticking out of it.
Some folks assume naively that it must be cooled molten steel because it is rust colored - as if concrete and other materials can’t take on a rust color.
That guy’s a dumbass. The temperature that a fire reaches is dependent on how fast it’s burning and how fast the generated heat escapes. How fast it burns is largely dependent on the supply of fresh air with oxygen, but how fast the heat escapes is more complicated. When you see someone say that the temperature of a hydrocarbon-fueled fire is X, there are assumptions. In an open-air fire of hydrocarbons, with a large supply of air that’s 20% oxygen, the temperature is (IIRC) less than 2000 F. But if you insulate the combustion, there’s no limit to how hot it could get, even if it’s getting a restricted flow of oxygen. Insulate it really really well, and it can get surprisingly hot.
As far as I know, it’s not out of the question that the underground temps at the WTC site could have reached hot enough to melt steel (but I could be mistaken). On the other hand, the reports we have of red-hot material seem to rule out temperatures that hot. If it’s red-hot, steel does not melt.
I believe you’re talking about a chunk of concrete and office material, which has iron rebar sticking out of it. The fact that there’s iron rebar sticking out definitively proves that the chunk could not be formerly molten steel, because iron rebar melts at a much lower temperature than does steel. The fact that there’s iron rebar tells you that this piece never saw temperatures anywhere near hot enough to melt steel.
The thing I don’t understand is the obsession with the controlled demolition or the missile hitting the Pentagon. Why the kabuki with the kamikaze airplanes then? When terrorists tried to blow up the WTC in the early '90s they used a conventional bomb. Why wouldn’t they just try again with an even bigger one? It flows easily, and then crack internet specialists couldn’t spot all these small errors by analyzing grainy pictures of airplanes hitting skyscrapers and expose the hoax for the whole world to see.
See…that’s the real problem right there. I watched a two hour special on 9/11 myths where they gave the 9/11 truthers and those idiots who did Loose Change their chance to watch and participate in actual experiments addressing each of their main points of contention, and this was the repeated theme…‘we don’t know what happened or why, we are merely pointing out the facts and allowing you to draw your own conclusions’. Horseshit. If the had a REAL theory, they would put it out there for actual, scientific examination. Unfortunately (for them…and you), there isn’t one that would stand up to real scientific (or engineering, structural, metallurgical or any other reality based) scrutiny. Instead, it’s all about ‘watch this video…doesn’t it suggestion something to you??’, along with a lot of psudo-scientific/psudo-engineering/structural sciences/materials sciences/explosives bullshit that is either out and out fabrication or simply the ignorance of the people making the assertions.
For instance, on the show, the Loose Change idiots were completely backtracking on a bunch of BS they had put into the first film concerning cell phones…and also backing away from the more stupid/insane assertions concerning explosives bringing down the WTC (they were still on about the supposed ‘cruise missile’ that hit the Pentagon). That SHOULD tell you something about at least one group of these guys.
Well…‘we’ all know a LOT of things on this subject. Did you happen to dig through any of the links Tom provided on the myriad previous threads on this subject? Nothing you’ve brought up is new…it’s all been debunked more times than I care to even contemplate.
Complete horseshit. We have done this same thread countless times. I’ve personally watched the idiotic Loose Change video (and Loose Change II: Electric Boogaloo!), seen myriad CTer web sites, seen all manner of grainy video (with helpful pointers, diagrams and comments added so that I could be told what I should be seeing), pictures, out of context and distorted eye witness testimonials and just about every other crazy thing on this subject.
Know what I haven’t seen? I haven’t seen a shred of actual EVIDENCE. Know why? Because you CTers DON’T HAVE ANY! None. What you have (and what I’m fairly sure you are going to breathlessly come back with) is…more grainy video (with helpful additions telling us what we should be seeing), pictures, out of context and distorted eye witness accounts, etc etc. Ad nauseum.
Oh…it is. It is. BELIEVE me. We’ve seen it. Over. And Over. And Over. You’d know this had you bothered even taking a cursory glance at some of those earlier linked threads. Instead, with star filled eyes and hopeful anticipation, you’ll be bringing the same crapola to the board that all the other CTers have brought in the past. Then, someone with more patience than me will debunk it…again. And you’ll get all bent out of shape and either sulk off, or become increasingly frantic because everyone here is a dupe of the government, and only you (and the other CTers in this thread) REALLY understand what happened. Eventually the thread will die, you’ll wander off to more welcoming climes (where ever it is that CTers go to comfort each other and feel warm and loved with other believers), and then, in a few days, weeks or months, some new CTer will wander in with the same links and same line of BS, and we’ll start the cycle all over again…
I could ask you (and I’d be genuinely curious as to your answer) why you would believe a pack of fools, idiots and charlatans who obviously don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Why, with the little actual physical evidence available to support the CT, would you believe it, when overwhelmingly the real experts in the various fields uniformly are saying the various aspects of the CT are full of shit? I mean, you can’t possibly believe that nearly 100% of the actual experts in their fields are either dupes or in on it…do you? Seriously?
I’d post the video you are most likely feverishly looking for (as well as the other links I’m sure you will be bringing back), but I wouldn’t want to steal (or molten steel perhaps) your thunder. You really should have looked at some of those threads Tom helpfully linked to earlier though…
-XT
Flowing molten steel CANNOT look red-yellow. It is not a property of steel hot enough to flow to give off the softer glow indicated by red-yellow. If you have a red-yellow flowing substance, it is not steel.
Unlike every Truther who has paraded through these multiple threads trotting out the “molten steel” nonsense, I have actually worked with molten steel. I know what it looks like. (Actually, if you can look at it, it is not molten steel. 
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I believe that your objection was addressed quite lucidly and convincingly on page 4 of this thread:
Laugh all you want, it’s 2010. This is the year we make contact; I have it on good authority that there’s a WTC orbiting Jupiter that’s full of stars.
I’m sure in 2020, we’ll look back on this with a different perspective.
Hindsight, and all.
Personally I don’t buy into the whole 911 conspiracy, and it has very little to do with analyzing the evidence, since I don’t have an engineering background it would be arrogant of me for example to try and dissect the collapse of the towers. Instead I use a basic knowledge human behavior which most of us have and common sense.
The main reason why these was all orchestrated according to the CT’s is so that they have a reason to invade the middle east for oil. With that, I look at the following.
1.One plane into one of the towers without it collapsing would have been enough reason to go invade the middle east in my opinion. Why risk screwing up with all of these extra planes, demolition, leaving clues behind etc. Simply wouldn’t be worth the risk and wouldn’t be necessary.
2.If you don’t buy reason 1, then one tower collapsing would have been more than enough. Without the other planes, happy ?
3.The demolition theory, one of my good friends works in this field. From what he tells me in order to rig both towers for demolition would of taken at least a year if not more to set up, it would of included thousands and thousands of charges to be set up. In order to set up these charges you’d have to get to major support columns structures. And they did all this without anyone finding out , working at night, tearing down walls to get to the columns putting secretly putting the walls back up . Planes hitting the towers could of seriously screwed up the plans, wiring etc. Not only this but after the 93 attacks, bomb sniffing dogs routinely sniffed out the place. Are we saying now the dogs were in on the conspiacy as well ? Get real.
3.The amount of people that would have been need in order to pull this off would have been in the hundreds of thousands. i.e. The American Society of Engineers who’s member ship exceeds over 120 000 were responsible for reviewing the official report regarding the collapse of the towers agreed with the findings, are these armchair engineers with no background who go own spouting about foot prints, molten metal etc… are saying these engineers are wrong they are also implying that these 1200000 people are now part of keeping the secret quiet. There’s also the NYFD, NYPD and the Port Authority they also implicate, these people lost friends that day but are adamant that they were paid off enough. The list goes on and on. And they all kept it all secret, but Bill Clinton couldn’t even get a blow job from someone other than his wife and the whole world found out about it, this was only two people. Keep on smoking the drapes.
5.Building WTC7 why risk taking that down ? Oh yeah right it was a diversion.
6.Lastly lets say, that the government was responsible for all this, they were really able to over pull it off with everyone keeping their yappers shut, but can’t/forget to plant WMD’s in Iraq. :smack:
The only conspiracy here was the bullshit reasons they made up for invading Iraq to get rid of a despot they should of gotten rid of the first time. Nothing else, it really was a bunch of radical foreign nuts with box cutters who hated the United States that bad.
Yes, but sometimes the temperature extremes overwhelm the expansion joints. Continuous welded rail is put down at a neutral temperature to help mitigate this, but even with that, sun kinks happen.
I say this a lot, but people look at me weird.
If you would wipe off the whipped cream and jello and put your clothes back on this wouldn’t happen. Listen to the voice of experience on this one…
-XT
There is a conspiracy to steal you use of the number 4! :eek::eek::eek: