# 9/11, In my humble opinion **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490 "2006-09-13T02:03:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/121 "2006-09-14T16:35:08Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] I can’t see how this can be misinterpreted at all. [/QUOTE] Fanatical Muslim Dictator (Fanatical Muslim) Dictator Fanatical (Muslim Dictator) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/122 "2006-09-14T16:35:30Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] I can’t see how this can be misinterpreted at all. [/QUOTE] So you’re saying you called him a “fanatical” “Muslim” “dicatator,” not a “fanatical Muslim” dictator? Good lord, that’s dumber than ‘the meaning of ‘is.’’ What was he a fanatic about, and why is it better to remove a fanatical dictator who happens to be Muslim than to remove some other sort of dictator? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/123 "2006-09-14T16:42:36Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Good lord, that’s dumber than ‘the meaning of ‘is.’’ [/QUOTE] Which is…? Just kidding. You Americans are so damn comical when you talk about your Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/124 "2006-09-14T16:42:23Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] I used 3 adjectives to describe the man: [/QUOTE] Oh come on. You couldn’t possibly do more backpeddling if you were on a backwards-facing bicycle. Have you ever had a pet? That you mothered? Have you ever had sex? Then you were fucking. Have you ever wanted more of something? Have you been on anything? Then you are a mother-fucking moron. Hey, but at least I didn’t call you a mother-fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/125 "2006-09-14T16:53:14Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Just kidding. You Americans are so damn comical when you talk about your Presidents. [/QUOTE] Sometimes ya gotta laugh to keep from crying. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/126 "2006-09-14T16:54:33Z")
Adolf Hitler was Catholic. Also a fanatic, and a dictator. Therefore… ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/127 "2006-09-14T16:59:08Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Oh come on. You couldn’t possibly do more backpeddling if you were on a backwards-facing bicycle. Have you ever had a pet? That you mothered? Have you ever had sex? Then you were fucking. Have you ever wanted more of something? Have you been on anything? Then you are a mother-fucking moron. Hey, but at least I didn’t call you a mother-fucking moron. [/QUOTE] So, I see your arguments now have been reduced to pedantic grumblings regarding my placement of 3 adjectives. I don’t have a clue what backpedaling (correct spelling) I’m doing, or what in the hell your “Have you” sentences even mean. In fact, given the nitpicking, I’m done here. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/128 "2006-09-14T17:09:43Z")
Well, buh-bye! Here’s your hat, let me get the door for you. Watch that first step… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/129 "2006-09-14T17:12:08Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] So, I see your arguments now have been reduced to pedantic grumblings regarding my placement of 3 adjectives. [/quote] Two adjectives and a noun, damn you! (Muslim is an adjective and not a noun in that sentence, right?) Since **Leaffan** is done with this thread, :rolleyes: I’m left to wonder: is he the only person in the world who would stick the words ‘fanatical’ and ‘Muslim’ next to each other and not think that ‘fanatical’ was modifying ‘Muslim,’ was he just embarrassing himself in trying to back away from his original comment? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/130 "2006-09-14T17:17:47Z")
Run Forest, run. You clearly meant to indicate that SH was like the current, actual, religious fucknut running Iran. In fact he was a completely different kinda fucknut. Now you’re just trying to dodge the issue with some spectacular bullshit. The _facts_ that you base your opinions on don’t seem to be based too much in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/131 "2006-09-14T17:18:18Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] In fact, given the nitpicking, I’m done here. Bye. [/QUOTE] It is often ugly when an opinion meets fact. Especially when it is an ill-formed opinion held by a stupid person. Then it’s very ugly, but usually also quite funny. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/132 "2006-09-14T17:53:39Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Two adjectives and a noun, damn you! (Muslim is an adjective and not a noun in that sentence, right?) Since **Leaffan** is done with this thread, :rolleyes: I’m left to wonder: is he the only person in the world who would stick the words ‘fanatical’ and ‘Muslim’ next to each other and not think that ‘fanatical’ was modifying ‘Muslim,’ was he just embarrassing himself in trying to back away from his original comment? [/QUOTE] I’m still around. Still slightly amused by all of this. Of course fanatical was modifying Muslim. I don’t disagree with that. Sorry, I’m shaking my head wondering how we got here. (Yes, 2 adjectives and a noun is right too.) Me: Saddam’s a fanatical Muslim dictator. Someone else: He’s not Muslim, he’s secular. Someone else: He belongs to a socialist party. Me: What, he can’t be Muslim and socialist? Someone else: Fanatical Muslim dictator is misguided. Me: He’s a Sunni Muslim who oppressed Shiite Muslims. Someone else: Oh, well he’s a Muslim alright, but he’s secular. Me: So you agree he’s Muslim. Fine, my opinion is that he’s also fanatical and a dictator. Someone else: Ooohhh backpedaling. Me: Sighhhh…(Abbot and Costello, where are you?) Anyway, I know this is the Pit and all, but I don’t think we’re solving anything, which is why I wanted to bow out; but you keep pulling me back in! ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/133 "2006-09-14T17:56:58Z")
Guys there is no need to be worked up here. I mean the Guy’s name is Leaf fan fer chrissakes. That alone says he is of a mind to fanatically back losers no matter what their history or how awful they intend to be in the future. Just pat him on the head charge him, $100.00 to sit in a crappy seat, $12 for watered down beer, and chant GO LEAFS GO every so often and he’ll be happy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/134 "2006-09-14T18:06:15Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] Me: So you agree he’s Muslim. Fine, my opinion is that he’s also fanatical and a dictator. [/QUOTE] As I said, that combination of words seems to mean something different to you than it would to anyone else in the world. **Yojimbo** is correct that to most people, that means ‘fantically Muslim’ and would describe the leadership of Iran and very clearly not describe Saddam. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/135 "2006-09-14T19:34:47Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] Anyway, I know this is the Pit and all, but I don’t think we’re solving anything, which is why I wanted to bow out; but you keep pulling me back in! [/QUOTE] No one put a gun to your head. Saddam was a fanatical dictator, sure. And he’s nominally a Muslim. But when you say “fanatical Muslim”, as **Marley23** points out, it means something quite different. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and retract my backpedeling accusation, and just assume that you have a poor grasp of the English language. So poor as to mislead. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/136 "2006-09-14T20:08:21Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] No one put a gun to your head. Saddam was a fanatical dictator, sure. And he’s nominally a Muslim. But when you say “fanatical Muslim”, as **Marley23** points out, it means something quite different. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and retract my backpedeling accusation, and just assume that you have a poor grasp of the English language. So poor as to mislead. [/QUOTE] Gee thanks. Very gracious of you. And again, it’s “backpedaling.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/137 "2006-09-14T22:31:17Z")
For fuck’s sake, can we agree that Saddam was not a nice person and let it go? Yeesh! This is what happens when idiots collide. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/138 "2006-09-14T22:32:11Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/139 "2006-09-14T22:45:06Z")
Don’t _you_ start! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2006, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490/140 "2006-09-14T23:21:40Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Cite? [/QUOTE] His post is his cite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-in-my-humble-opinion/372490.md?page=8)