# 9/11 - Loose Change **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887 "2006-04-30T23:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/21 "2006-05-01T16:34:23Z")
Yes, it was done for a Japanese company. > [@](#): > > The test was performed by Sandia National Laboratories under terms of a contract with the Muto Institute of Structural Mechanics, Inc., of Tokyo. So, my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/22 "2006-05-01T16:34:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > But you guys are missing the obvious. The dogs were removed on 6/11. Now what happens if you rotate that “6” 180 degrees? Right. I’d like to see you explain away THAT little fact. [ul][li]6 + 11 = 17[/li][li]9 + 11 = 20[/li][li]These are **two** equations[/li][li]9 + 11 - 2 = 18[/li][li]18 ia the sum of six and twelve[/li][li]6/12 is the date on which O.J. Simpson (allegedly) killed Ron and Nicole[/li][li]O.J. Simpson claims that the police have to find the ‘real killers’.[/ul][/li]Thus the connection is obvious. Al Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11, and Conspriacy Theorists are only pointing out who the ‘real killers’ are. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/23 "2006-05-01T16:40:03Z")
Oh… 20 (the sum of hte second equation) minus 17 (the sum of the first equation) is 3. So there were only three aircraft involved. The Pentagon was obviously hit with a missile. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/24 "2006-05-01T16:43:13Z")
Truely you have a dizzying intellect, sir. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/25 "2006-05-01T16:48:51Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Truely you have a dizzying intellect, sir. 😛 > > -XT Wait 'til I get started! ---
**Author:** ![GoKings57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/67e7ee/32.png) [@GoKings57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoKings57)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/26 "2006-05-01T16:59:33Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Actually, the test was done by [Sandia National Laboratory](http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/video-gallery/index.html#rocketsled). Pretty cool, I might add. Proud to say that test was performed at my work under agreement with Sandia on our SNORT (Supersonic Naval Ordnance Test Track). Here’re the links for my work and for SNORT. [Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division](http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil) [SNORT](http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/r2/fs/Snort.htm) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/27 "2006-05-01T17:14:23Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > [ul][li]6 + 11 = 17[/li][li]9 + 11 = 20[/li][li]These are **two** equations[/li][li]9 + 11 - 2 = 18[/li][li]18 ia the sum of six and twelve[/li][li]6/12 is the date on which O.J. Simpson (allegedly) killed Ron and Nicole[/li][li]O.J. Simpson claims that the police have to find the ‘real killers’.[/ul][/li]Thus the connection is obvious. Al Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11, and Conspriacy Theorists are only pointing out who the ‘real killers’ are. Yes, and the sum 18 has two digits in it. And September has 30 days. Subtract 18 from 30 and have 12, (or 4 x 3), indicating 4 incidents but only 3 planes. Then if you add those numbers together you get 7. Subtract one (for the one day it all happened on) and you get 6. And If you repet 6 three times (for the number of real planes) you get 666. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/28 "2006-05-01T17:27:09Z")
If you have Bittorrent, here’s a critique and rebuttal of the video: [http://www.prodigem.com/torrents/download/itmatters/itmatters-9-11\_Loose\_Change\_2\_Viewer\_Guide.torrent](http://www.prodigem.com/torrents/download/itmatters/itmatters-9-11_Loose_Change_2_Viewer_Guide.torrent) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/29 "2006-05-01T17:27:32Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yes, and the sum 18 has two digits in it. And September has 30 days. Subtract 18 from 30 and have 12, (or 4 x 3), indicating 4 incidents but only 3 planes. Then if you add those numbers together you get 7. Subtract one (for the one day it all happened on) and you get 6. And If you repet 6 three times (for the number of real planes) you get 666. :eek: Oh, please. You don’t think that that’s maybe just a _little_ farfetched? :rolleyes: :dubious: 😉😃 ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/30 "2006-05-01T17:30:48Z")
I wish I worked on or for something called SNORT. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/31 "2006-05-01T17:44:11Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > Oh, please. You don’t think that that’s maybe just a _little_ farfetched? :rolleyes: :dubious: > > 😉😃 But it’s math. How can you argue with math?! 😕 Oh wait, I see notice that you did use “4” different emoticons, indicating the four planes. Gotcha. Never mind, then. 😃 Oops. 🙂😉 There. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/32 "2006-05-01T18:50:42Z")
Ok, when I came back in to check the thread the Google ads were all for pilot training. That’s just mean. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/33 "2006-05-01T19:53:58Z")
Whoo-hoo-hoo that producer Dylan Avery! look who knows so much! It just so happens that that movie here is not only MOSTLY misleading but disliked even by [conspiracy theorists](http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html). There’s a difference between loose change 1 and loose change 2. loose change 1 was caught with lies. Loose change 2 dropped some items but the rest remains innuendo and misunderstandings, so instead of telling the truth for producers of this kind there is only one thing they can do. What’s that? Make some slight changes and look for loose change III… (Apologies to Miracle Max) BTW those 9-11 research people still find some “gold nuggets” on loose change 2 but the fool’s gold is still there and even the so called “gold” they mention looks suspicious, IIRC at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial, the final moments of flight 93 are accounted for. [http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/supplements/loosechange.html](http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/supplements/loosechange.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/34 "2006-05-02T03:08:02Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > [list=1] > [li]I know of no private, non-government, office building in America that keeps such dogs. A fiction.[/li] Actually, one of the bomb sniffing dogs the CT’s claim was removed died at the WTC. [Sirius Online Memorial.](http://members.dandy.net/~lulu/mem2001-14a.html) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/35 "2006-05-02T03:16:19Z")
> [@Cyril77](#): > > - a study suggests that the chance of giving a call from 32,000 feet is less than 1% This ‘study’ consisted of a guy going up to 8,000 feet over London, Ontario and playing a few times with his cell phone. Then extrapolating the numbers up to 32,000 feet. Not honest, not thorough. One can connect with a cell phone from a plane, the problem is jumping from cell tower to cell tower can cause lost connections. Oddly, Loose Change complains that many of the calls are ‘just a sentence or two’. To them it means that secret government voice emulation is being used, rather than indicating that the phone calls are having trouble staying connected. Other calls were made using the in-flight phone. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/36 "2006-05-02T03:21:57Z")
> [@Cyril77](#): > > -d. > \* he wears a gold ring, supposedly prohibited by his religion [Yeah, right.](http://www.september11news.com/Nov3OsamaTVSpeech.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/37 "2006-05-02T13:07:08Z")
> [@Mr. Miskatonic](#): > > Actually, one of the bomb sniffing dogs the CT’s claim was removed died at the WTC. > > [Sirius Online Memorial.](http://members.dandy.net/~lulu/mem2001-14a.html) A suprise. Then again, after the _first_ attack, I suppose they would. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/38 "2006-05-02T14:37:55Z")
> [@Cyril77](#): > > - the hole is the size of the main part of the plane, not much traces of the wings or engines, which are massive objects as well The hole is the size of the fuselage and and the engines. There is in the available photographs clear damage (admittedly lighter than that caused by the fuselage and engines) _precisely_ the width of the wings. You can see photos that show exactly this _even on websites run by conspiracy theory nutcases_ with captions saying the opposite, which tells you that my description of them as nutcases is accurate. > [@](#): > > - no footage of the plane hitting the building, although videos have been seized by the FBI There is footage of the planes flying into the WTC, but the conspiracy theorists think that no explanation for what happened to the WTC. Presumably therefore, even if there was footage of the plane flying into the Pentagon, conspiracy theorists would not think that was an explanation for what happened to the Pentagon. Yet when there is no clear footage of the plane flying into the Pentagon, that shows that a plane didn’t fly into the Pentagon. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/39 "2006-05-02T16:56:31Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > > [@Mr. Miskatonic](#): > > > > > [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > > > > > I know of no private, non-government, office building in America that keeps such dogs. > > > > Actually, one of the bomb sniffing dogs the CT’s claim was removed died at the WTC. > > A suprise. While the the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey no longer owned the complex, they still used it for their headquarters and it was a Port Authority Police dog that died. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/40 "2006-05-02T17:43:26Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > While the the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey no longer owned the complex, they still used it for their headquarters and it was a Port Authority Police dog that died. So, it’s presence there was co-incidental in the first place? Then, the removal may have been due to building management not wanting dogs peeing all over the place? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887.md?page=3)