# 9/11 - Loose Change **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 30, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887 "2006-04-30T23:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/41 "2006-05-02T18:00:38Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > So, it’s presence there was co-incidental in the first place? Not at all. That dog was posted in the basement, presumably in response to '93. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/42 "2006-05-02T18:06:41Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Not at all. That dog was posted in the basement, presumably in response to '93. “Look up, boy! Look up!” Oh, I’m _so_ going to hell for that one ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/43 "2006-05-02T18:16:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Look up, boy! Look up!” > > Oh, I’m _so_ going to hell for that one The dog _couldn’t_ look up. After all, Timmy was trapped down the well. Lassie can’t be in two places at once, ya know! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/44 "2006-05-02T18:18:03Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Then, the removal may have been due to building management not wanting dogs peeing all over the place? Additional dogs had been onsite, apparently as part of extra security measures, and it was these dogs that were removed on 9/6 (not 6/11 as later stated by the OP). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/45 "2006-05-02T19:37:03Z")
> [@Cyril77](#): > > - there were many more security drills in the weeks before the events as average. > - bomb sniffing dogs were removed on 6/11 from the WTC > - why you may ask ? > - the planes make it look like an easy act of terrorism > - the bombs make it sure that the buildings collapse totally. So, the US government staged a terrorist attack on the WTC. Okay, I’ll go along with that. They also wired the building with explosives, because they wanted to make sure the buildings collapsed entirely, and they didn’t think the planes would be sufficient for the job. Towards this end, they pulled all the bomb sniffing dogs out of the building. Seems unlikely, but fine. But then, in the days before the attack, they _increased_ security drills. Now, wait just a minute. Wouldn’t _increased_ security drills make it that much _harder_ to succesfully hide the fact that they packed the towers with explosives? And if they wired the buildings to blow to make absolutely sure the towers collapsed, well, that seems to indicate that they wanted as many casualties as possible. If that was a concern, wouldn’t it have been better to _cancel_ security drills, making sure people were less likely to know what to do in an emergency, and therefore more likely to die in the catastrophe? > [@](#): > > 1. link with Al-Quaeda > > - a few days after the events, Bin Laden issued a statement via Al Jazeera stating that they are not connected to these events > - some time later, a video is found where Bin Laden admits to this. However: > - BL is seen writing with his right hand, and supposed to be left-handed. > - he wears a gold ring, supposedly prohibited by his religion > - he looks rather different (especially the beard shape) from other pictures of him I’m not aware that Islam has any specific prohibition against wealth, or an injunction to live in poverty. I do know, however, that Christianity has just such an instruction. I guess this means that Jim Bakker is a government plot? I also happen to know that the Qu’ran, like the Bible, speaks pretty strongly against murder. And yet, people use both books as an excuse for all sorts of homicide. Big surprise: a lot of people twist religious teachings to suit their political/militaristic ends. Also, beard shape? This is supposed to prove something? Maybe he just slept on his stomach the night before, and had bed-beard in that video. It’s hair: it doesn’t have a fixed, unchangable shape. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/46 "2006-05-02T20:02:15Z")
Guys…I think Elvis has left the building… -XT ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/47 "2006-05-02T20:30:09Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Guys…I think Elvis has left the building… Was HE in on it, too? I thought he was working in a 7-11 in Grand Rapids. (Or was that a Lawton’s?) ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/48 "2006-05-02T20:36:30Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Would none of these people have remarked to themselves on the oddity of rigging one of the world’s largest active business complexes with explosives? How was the silence of these people guaranteed? This is where conspiracy theories always fall down, IMO. I simply will never believe that you can somehow guarantee the silence of 50 or 100 or even 5 people for something like this. There will \*always \* be someone ready to sell these kinds of secrets either for money or patriotism…there will \*always \* be someone who talks! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/49 "2006-05-02T20:41:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not aware that Islam has any specific prohibition against wealth, or an injunction to live in poverty. I do know, however, that Christianity has just such an instruction. I guess this means that Jim Bakker is a government plot? Islam has a prohibition against men wearing gold jewelry. It’s considered effeminate (as is the wearing of silk), and men are supposed to wear silver. Of course, Islam also has prohibitions against the murder of innocents and terrorism, so maybe bin Laden isn’t really the best person to go to for a lesson in Islamic ethics. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887/50 "2006-05-03T18:37:24Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > This is where conspiracy theories always fall down, IMO. I simply will never believe that you can somehow guarantee the silence of 50 or 100 or even 5 people for something like this. There will \*always \* be someone ready to sell these kinds of secrets either for money or patriotism…there will \*always \* be someone who talks! I told a friend this and he retorted “Well, they kept Area 51 a secret”. I retorted **They did not!** Everyone and their dog knows we store UFOs in Area 51. Ask anyone you know what’s in Area 51 and they’ll say UFOs. Not that I believe it or there’s any proof, but one cannot say Area 51 is a secret. The real secret is what’s in Areas 1 through 50. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-loose-change/354887.md?page=2)