# 9/11 was an inside job **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 18, 2012, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490 "2012-06-18T05:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/101 "2012-06-20T17:09:24Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Give my regards to Howard. He’s fulfilling the Jeremy Bentham Professorship position for us. I’ll say “Hi” for you next time I’m going past his cubby hole. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/102 "2012-06-20T17:14:40Z")
> [@Veneriable\_Slacks](#): > > William C. Nixon > B.S. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/103 "2012-06-20T17:20:27Z")
I have a BS but it’s only in Communications. Can I still be pompous? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/104 "2012-06-20T17:48:47Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I have a BS but it’s only in Communications. Can I still be pompous? Not if you have to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/105 "2012-06-20T17:58:35Z")
I love the educating power of internet. Watch this: “9/11 wasn’t an inside job, the OP and his buddies are fools. Dr Gerald Edmund E. Davis Ph.D. Metallurgical Engineering, MIT, 1985 Ph.D. Aerodynamics, OSU, 1988 M.S. Structural Demolition, ASU, 1991 B.A. Underwater Container Construction, ASU, 2012" Obviously I know what I’m talking about and you should take my word over everyone else who hasn’t put a list of credentials after what they said. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/106 "2012-06-20T18:01:37Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > I love the educating power of internet. Watch this: > > “9/11 wasn’t an inside job, the OP and his buddies are fools. > > Dr Gerald Edmund E. Davis > Ph.D. Metallurgical Engineering, MIT, 1985 > Ph.D. Aerodynamics, OSU, 1988 > M.S. Structural Demolition, ASU, 1991 > B.A. Underwater Container Construction, ASU, 2012" > > Obviously I know what I’m talking about and you should take my word over everyone else who hasn’t put a list of credentials after what they said. But you’re clearly a fraud. Your initials don’t even match your username. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/107 "2012-06-20T18:03:25Z")
> [@Einsatzgroping](#): > > So, who is the real idiot: the theorist who possits plausible possibilities based on the available evidence I dunno, I haven’t seen any of these yet. You’re welcome to show me one. ---
**Author:** ![Bamboo\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@Bamboo\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bamboo_Boy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/108 "2012-06-20T18:19:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > She blinded me with SCIENCE! > > 5 points to the first old fogey that gets this without googling …and failed me in Biology! Yeah, I’m an old fogey…GOML. -BB ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/109 "2012-06-20T19:43:24Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > > [@Gedd](#): > > > > I love the educating power of internet. Watch this: > > > > “9/11 wasn’t an inside job, the OP and his buddies are fools. > > > > Dr Gerald Edmund E. Davis > > Ph.D. Metallurgical Engineering, MIT, 1985 > > Ph.D. Aerodynamics, OSU, 1988 > > M.S. Structural Demolition, ASU, 1991 > > B.A. Underwater Container Construction, ASU, 2012" > > > > Obviously I know what I’m talking about and you should take my word over everyone else who hasn’t put a list of credentials after what they said. > > But you’re clearly a fraud. Your initials don’t even match your username. Which is exactly how I knew **Veneriable Slacks** wasn’t the real Dr Nixon, but rather . . . old man Grinchly the carnival owner! Grinchly: “And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for you meddling dopers!” ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/110 "2012-06-20T20:27:30Z")
> [@Einsatzgroping](#): > > Yet, despite all the evidence buttressing it, we off-the-cuff reject anything that does not fall into line with, what we now know was, a corrupt, incompetent, war mongering US administration’s spin on the incident in question. It has always been very public knowledge that the Bush administration had their thumbs firmly in their asses in regards to counter terrorism before 9/11. It is well known that they were getting warnings on a weekly basis up to and including in the Presidential Daily Brief that said “HEY GUYS TERRORIST ATTACK COMING SOON! PLANES AND SHIT!” It is established fact that if the alphabet soup agencies had been willing to talk to one another there would probably be nineteen wannabe hijackers in jail right now. But the Bush administration letting it happen does not equal the Bush administration making it happen. I wish people knew the difference. > [@Veneriable\_Slacks](#): > > The evidence of WTC 7 being a controlled demolition is so obvious. The evidence as to WHY WTC 7 would be demolished has never been shown to make any sense. And since I imagine this hit and run poster will actually at least be skimming the thread I offer him this advice: We have seen 9/11 conspiracy threads before. Every angle of the attack has been discussed ad nauseum over and over again. One thing is always missing from the conspiracy theory side and that is logic and reason. CTers come in, make a statement that they don’t even try to defend, hurl insults about how dumb we all are for believe the government’s obvious lies and then leave. How is that supposed to convince anyone? Has anyone ever convinced you of anything by treating you that way? If it’s so obvious it should be easy to explain. So if you can bring in a fresh angle on how and why WTC 7 was demolished on purpose by Larry Silverstein (rather than by being hit by flaming chunks of the 110 story building next to it that just fell down) that doesn’t involve UFOs, the Illuminati, fictional pipelines in Afghanistan or cabals of evil Jews… let’s see that evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/111 "2012-06-20T21:06:59Z")
Did the Straight Dope put out an add for CT loonies this month? Three signed up within (roughly) a week of each other. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/112 "2012-06-20T21:22:29Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Did the Straight Dope put out an add for CT loonies this month? Three signed up within (roughly) a week of each other. Birds of a feather… ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/113 "2012-06-20T21:31:49Z")
Well, when you put an add on CT loonies of course you get more… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/114 "2012-06-20T21:41:52Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Did the Straight Dope put out an add for CT loonies this month? Three signed up within (roughly) a week of each other. It’s summer break. The kiddies are bored. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/115 "2012-06-21T00:42:20Z")
> [@Veneriable\_Slacks](#): > > Bye bye, pompous morons. Bye bye. Please forget to write. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/116 "2012-06-21T01:35:05Z")
If WTC7 was a controlled demolition, it was a pretty uncontrolled controlled demolition, in light of the collateral and significant damage to [Fiterman Hall](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiterman_Hall#Fiterman_Hall_and_the_September_11_attacks), across Barclay street to the north. Fiterman Hall had to be torn down, is being replaced by a new building. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/117 "2012-06-21T02:34:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If WTC7 was a controlled demolition, it was a pretty uncontrolled controlled demolition, in light of the collateral and significant damage to [Fiterman Hall](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiterman_Hall#Fiterman_Hall_and_the_September_11_attacks), across Barclay street to the north. Fiterman Hall had to be torn down, is being replaced by a new building. Well they weren’t so silly as to make it appear too controlled. They carefully ensured that it was just sufficiently untidy as to make it indistinguishable from an uncontrolled demolition. Actually, the clearly uncontrolled-seeming nature of the demolition, precisely calibrated to fool any expert into thinking it was uncontrolled, is far too “convenient” to be credible. It is the very fact that the demolition shows so clearly that it was uncontrolled that shows that it was, actually, controlled. See? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/118 "2012-06-21T02:48:17Z")
Wow. Meta. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/119 "2012-06-21T02:49:08Z")
Everybody knows that the 9/11 demolition was the last step in the coverup of the Kennedy assassination. All the Kennedys, going back to Joe Jr. in WWII. That’s why they used exploding planes – kind of a retro tribute to the original assassins. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490/120 "2012-06-21T03:03:20Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > Which is exactly how I knew **Veneriable Slacks** wasn’t the real Dr Nixon, but rather . . . old man Grinchly the carnival owner! Not a doctor. Got a bachelor’s. Most of the William C. Nixons I find online are long dead or the wrong age. Might be the one who is a big fan of the Justice League on Amazon, which would mean we aren’t shut of him yet. Anecdote that should not be an accurate assessment of the engineering program at the Illinois Institute of Technology: A co-worker who had received his engineering degree from IIT was incensed that another engineer had used the blackboard to lay out an elaborate proof which concluded that an engineering degree from IIT = 0. That, of course, is not my opinion, though there are some clunkers with 2.0 GPAs who would still be degreed engineers. Just sayin’, is all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11-was-an-inside-job/625490.md?page=7)