# 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2012, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099 "2012-07-13T12:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/21 "2012-07-13T13:44:10Z")
You know what’s even more amazing? In Europe it didn’t happen on 9/11; it happened on 11/9. They reversed time itself! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/22 "2012-07-13T13:49:50Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > “The second building that was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed.” Seems like an accurate description of what happened. What is your point? ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/23 "2012-07-13T14:06:47Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You know what’s even more amazing? In Europe it didn’t happen on 9/11; it happened on 11/9. They reversed time itself! Not only that, but it happened a couple hours into the future as well. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/24 "2012-07-13T14:13:17Z")
Let’s move this over to Great Debates.\* Colibri General Questions Moderator \*Although I am quite sure this will not turn out to be a “great” debate.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/25 "2012-07-13T14:14:33Z")
Someone’s discovered a dark and disturbing truth behind the September 11th attacks again. Must be Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/26 "2012-07-13T14:20:33Z")
Did some other website declare war on us? Are they having a contest to see who could post the most asinine theory about 9/11? The only logical response to “The buildings literally disappeared into thin air” is “Go Away”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/27 "2012-07-13T14:20:38Z")
Well it is **Friday the 13th!** ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/28 "2012-07-13T14:21:09Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Let’s move this over to Great Debates.\* > > Colibri > General Questions Moderator > \*Although I am quite sure this will not turn out to be a “great” debate.😉 Let’s move this over to the pit. Because otherwise I don’t think I can dignify this guy with the response he deserves. 😃 On topic: Oh boy, here we go again! I wonder, will this conspiracy ever die? Ever? I mean, why do people even still care? -.- ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/29 "2012-07-13T14:26:09Z")
Finally, someone has stepped forward to clear gravity’s good name. Everyone is always to so eager to point the finger of blame at gravity when something falls down that they aren’t even willing to look for other reasons. Gravity just happend to be in the area meeting the strong force for lunch that fateful day. Really. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/30 "2012-07-13T14:33:04Z")
[post removed] Look! Something shiny! ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/31 "2012-07-13T14:46:17Z")
As for the Cheney misspeak - there’s a svery simple explanation for that… He has these little episodes where he twitches and says funny stuff or it spoils his aim… or maybe he simply had one of those moments like people who occasionally say “Iraq” for “Iran” or vice versa. Not every slip of the tongue is Freudian - as Freud allegedly said (really, he didn’t) “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/32 "2012-07-13T14:49:36Z")
> [@Small\_Clanger](#): > > Look! Something shiny! Ooooooo… ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/33 "2012-07-13T14:51:57Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > You know what’s even more amazing? In Europe it didn’t happen on 9/11; it happened on 11/9. They reversed time itself! …and in New Zealand it happened on 12/9. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/34 "2012-07-13T14:52:07Z")
I can’t be bothered to watch the video. Does it mention that KSM **was** responsible in part for bombing the WTC…[in 1993](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing)? > [@](#): > > The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York, NY. The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people. It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured more than a thousand. The attack was planned by a group of conspirators including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj. **They received financing from Khaled Sheikh Mohammed** , Yousef’s uncle. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/35 "2012-07-13T15:17:04Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > “Don Dahler. I’m four blocks north of the World Trade Center. The second building that was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed. The entire building has just collapsed, as if a demolition team set off–when you see the old demolitions of these old buildings. It folded down on itself, and it’s not there any more.” > > [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572) Please explain the significance of this quote and why it bolsters your claim? That’s exactly how millions of people watching it live would have described it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/36 "2012-07-13T15:18:42Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > Why do people and governments around the world pretend to believe that the Twin Towers disappeared solely because of gravity when anyone can see them turning into large and small pieces which go up and out before coming down? Don’t forget around and around, upside down like a clown. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/37 "2012-07-13T15:21:46Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I can’t be bothered to watch the video. Does it mention that KSM **was** responsible in part for bombing the WTC…[in 1993](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing)? And he’s considered to have played the lead role in planning September 11th. You just wouldn’t describe that as “blowing up” the building. Cheney’s imprecise wording hardly casts doubt on the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/38 "2012-07-13T15:28:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Why do people and governments around the world pretend to believe that the Twin Towers disappeared solely because of gravity when anyone can see them turning into large and small pieces which go up and out before coming down? No one believes that the Twin Towers collapsed solely because of gravity. If towers or large structures collapsed solely because of gravity then they would all be periodically falling down. People and governments with a clue know that the towers collapsed because some terrorist assholes flew planes into them. Planes full of jet fuel. These started things called ‘fires’ which, in combination with those plane thingies flying into them at high speed weakened the structural support and integrity of the buildings and, you know, caused them to fall. Once the collapse started, well THEN gravity and all that potential energy stuff took over. As to the building breaking up on the way down, falling to smaller pieces, some of which went outward in the collapse being some sort of mystery to you and I can say is you should get out more. Stuff doesn’t ever fall perfectly vertically unless you very carefully drop it that way. Get yourself a box of wooden blocks, build a tower and make it collapse and see for yourself. Or, here, watch [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrvbFUb3Ag) one (there used to be a really cool wooden tower collapse that I liked to use for this, but I’m on the road and this was the best I could find right now). Notice how some of the blocks fall outward before going downward? That’s pretty much what happened at the WTC, except there was a lot more material that weighed a lot more and that was failing and breaking apart due to all that gravity and potential energy stuff mentioned previously. > [@](#): > > Why did Richard Cheney “misspeak” when talking about Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who “blew up the World Trade Center”? Couldn’t slog through the whole video, since it was basically Chaney bitching about and dissing Obama, but at a guess your quote is the answer…he misspoke. -XT ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/39 "2012-07-13T15:29:27Z")
9/11 was just a plane crash. The conspiracy was Katrina and the resulting flooding. Thousands of pelicans had been wired with explosives that were set off in a precise pattern to cause the air mass to start to circulate. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/40 "2012-07-13T15:30:13Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > Why do people and governments around the world pretend to believe that the Twin Towers disappeared solely because of gravity when anyone can see them turning into large and small pieces which go up and out before coming down? [Up and out before coming down](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_3AneOujQ), you say? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099.md?page=3)