# 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2012, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099 "2012-07-13T12:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/41 "2012-07-13T16:12:48Z")
First there were those people who said it must be a controlled demolition because the buildings fell basically straight down. Now we have the conspiracy that it must be a controlled demolition because the buildings didn’t fall straight down enough.:smack: It’s nice to know that there is a conspiracy theory to fit every set of facts. > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > [Up and out before coming down](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_3AneOujQ), you say? Clearly that rock slide was engineered by the Illuminati just to provide cover for the 9/11 attacks later in the year. Get with the program Lute. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/42 "2012-07-13T16:41:50Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I don’t think gravity made the Twin Towers dissappear; I’m pretty sure it was the planes that were flown into them that did the trick. Actually, I’m going to disagree entirely. They didn’t disappear at all. They collapsed. But you could still SEE them, in a big pile of rubble. ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/43 "2012-07-13T17:29:44Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > Finally, someone has stepped forward to clear gravity’s good name. Everyone is always to so eager to point the finger of blame at gravity when something falls down … You’re saying gravity is the fall guy? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/44 "2012-07-13T17:54:51Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > You’re saying gravity is the fall guy? Gravity is just a Jew-backed, Illuminati-proposed so-called “theory” designed to hide the truth: INTELLIGENT FALLING!! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/45 "2012-07-13T18:13:37Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > 9/11 was just a plane crash. The conspiracy was Katrina and the resulting flooding. Thousands of pelicans had been wired with explosives that were set off in a precise pattern to cause the air mass to start to circulate. A pelican is on the state flag of Louisiana. A coincidence? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/46 "2012-07-13T18:13:45Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > Why do people and governments around the world pretend to believe that the Twin Towers disappeared solely because of gravity when anyone can see them turning into large and small pieces which go up and out before coming down? “Anyone” _can not_ see that. They fall as straight down as anything I’ve ever seen, except for lightweight debris forced out by the interior air rushing out. What you are maintaining _did not happen_. > [@politicstahl](#): > > Why did Richard Cheney “misspeak” when talking about Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who “blew up the World Trade Center”? [http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5004452n](http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5004452n) Because someone _did_ [“blow up” the WTC before](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#February_26.2C_1993_bombing), and Cheney is as loose with interpretation of the facts as you are. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/47 "2012-07-13T18:17:21Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > “Don Dahler. I’m four blocks north of the World Trade Center. The second building that was hit by the plane has just completely collapsed. The entire building has just collapsed, as if a demolition team set off–when you see the old demolitions of these old buildings. It folded down on itself, and it’s not there any more.” > > [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5061514770009171572) Ever been to lower Manhattan. Even four blocks away there are plenty of buyildings between the observer and the WTC. The collapse would seem to make the tower disappear. BTW, demolition is done with charges a lot less powerful than a jet plane hitting the tower at full speed with an almost full load of fuel. Riddle me this - if they were blowing up the towers with explosives, why the planes? That would just add uncertainty to the plot. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/48 "2012-07-13T19:58:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Please summarize your video cite. Cheney said in the OP linked interview, in the context of why “Cheney” waterboarded certain people, was because KSM was a man who was responsible for killing 3,000 people, blowing up the twin towers, Pentagon, and tried to blow up the Capitol/White house (the 4th plane). Or rather, he was responsible for 9/11. I don’t see the misspeak in that context. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/49 "2012-07-13T20:05:03Z")
> [@politicstahl](#): > > Why did Richard Cheney “misspeak” when talking about Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who “blew up the World Trade Center”? Well, obviously nobody told Cheney that the secret conspiracy to lie about 9/11 was supposed to be a _secret_. That’s the biggest problem with massive conspiracies - message control. You spend all these billions of dollars and years in planning and kill thousands of people to buy their silence, and then the mastermind of the entire plan goes on TV and says “JFK? Yeah, we killed that sumbitch” because he didn’t get briefed on the “and then nobody ever finds out” part. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/50 "2012-07-13T20:11:35Z")
That’s always how it goes with Conspiracy Theories. Evil geniuses pull off incredible plots full of misdirection and involving huge numbers of moving parts and conspirators, and then they give it away by doing something ridiculously stupid like blurting out the truth during a TV interview. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/51 "2012-07-13T20:14:16Z")
How do we know that was actually Chaney? I thought I saw a glint of a long tooth during part of that interview, plus wasn’t he looking a bit more wrinkly than usual? It’s a sure sign that he’s either been taken over by our lizard overlords (they can put on human like skin and clothes and impersonate anyone), or he has been a lizard overlord the whole time (instead of an evil vampire overlord)!! :eek: -XT ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/52 "2012-07-13T20:26:39Z")
> [@XT](#): > > How do we know that was actually Chaney? I thought I saw a glint of a long tooth during part of that interview, plus wasn’t he looking a bit more wrinkly than usual? It’s a sure sign that he’s either been taken over by our lizard overlords (they can put on human like skin and clothes and impersonate anyone), or he has been a lizard overlord the whole time (instead of an evil vampire overlord)!! :eek: No no no, you fool, Cheney’s a _robot_. The lizards only control the governments of the UK, Japan, and Cote d’Ivoire. Robots have the US, Israel, Lesotho, and most of South America except for Paraguay, where they’re currently sharing power with the Reverse Vampires. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/53 "2012-07-13T21:26:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That’s always how it goes with Conspiracy Theories. Evil geniuses pull off incredible plots full of misdirection and involving huge numbers of moving parts and conspirators, and then they give it away by doing something ridiculously stupid like blurting out the truth during a TV interview. _I practice every day to find some clever lines to say to make the meaning come through But then I think I’ll wait until the evening gets late and I’m alone with you The time is right, your perfume fills my head, the stars get red and, oh, the night’s so blue And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like “9/11 was a secret government conspiracy to blow up the World Trade Center with missiles projecting holograms of passenger planes to provide a casus belli for an invasion of Iraq in order for key right-wing groups to gain control of their oilfields”._ ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/54 "2012-07-13T21:37:35Z")
Okay, okay, okay…I admit it. I did it, with my handy-dandy Make Things Disappear button. Don’t think it works? Well, in the past year I’ve disappeared 138 threads talking about the buildings disappearing on 9/11. Don’t know how yours and those few others got through. I’ll have to analyze the control board on Super High-Speed Disappear Control Board Analyzer pronto! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/55 "2012-07-13T21:44:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > No no no, you fool, Cheney’s a _robot_. Gentlemen, please. The proper nomenclature is Cybernetic-American. Just because Mr. Richard Cheney literally doesn’t have a pulse doesn’t mean it’s OK to fling demeaning epithets at the evil, unfeeling old bastard. [QUOTE=Marley23] That’s always how it goes with Conspiracy Theories. Evil geniuses pull off incredible plots full of misdirection and involving huge numbers of moving parts and conspirators, and then they give it away by doing something ridiculously stupid like blurting out the truth during a TV interview. [/QUOTE] Ah, but that’s because everyone knows evil geniuses are forever tripping over their own egos. Can’t help themselves rubbing it in your stupid, sheeple faces. Like involving the Freemasons in some capacity (possibly financial, although I’m told they also mix a mean mojito), it is simply what is Done. And where would we be without standards ? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/56 "2012-07-13T21:52:48Z")
Come on. Everyone knows [the USPS did 9/11 with magnetic C4.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=476254) It’s the only explanation that makes any sense to [Judge: David-Wynn: Miller](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller), and that’s good enough for me! Obligatory pile of links I won’t explain the significance of because you’re all willing to plow through a lot of verbiage to understand what little I possess that could pass for a point: > **[David Wynn Miller](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller)** > > David Wynn Miller (1949 – 2018), also styled :David-Wynn: Miller or David-Wynn: Miller, was an American tool and die welder, pseudolegal theorist, and leader of a tax protester group within the sovereign citizen movement. A self-proclaimed judge, Miller is best known for creating a version of the English language to be used by people involved in judicial proceedings. He asserted that his constructed language, which is purportedly based on mathematics and includes unorthodox gram Miller lived in... > **['Full Colon Miller'](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2003/full-colon-miller)** > > A Milwaukee conspiracist says punctuation such as the colon is the key to liberty, but others say David Wynn Miller is full of it. > **[The anti-government grammar of :David-Wynn: Miller | Boing Boing](https://boingboing.net/2011/01/10/the-anti-government.html)** > > OK, I just spent about three hours cleaning up the Wikipedia article on David Wynn Miller, the anti-government activist whose Time Cube-like views on grammar may have caught the fancy of Tucson sho… > **[David-Wynn: Miller](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/01/david-wynn-miller.html)** > > Yesterday, musician Caitie Parker, a former classmate of alleged Tucson shooter Jared Loughner, > > tweeted > > ... ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/57 "2012-07-13T22:05:07Z")
I’m beginning to think that Marley and I should just move every 9/11 Conspiracy Theory thread to The Game Room as soon as it is posted so that you can all enjoy yourselves, making a game of trying to top the oddest explanation that the latest CT adherent submits. (Frankly, I think you are all hopelessly outclassed: all of your theories are more plausible than those of the typical CT adherent.) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/58 "2012-07-13T22:54:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Actually, I’m going to disagree entirely. > > They didn’t disappear at all. > > They collapsed. But you could still SEE them, in a big pile of rubble. Fake rubble. They disintegrated the Towers with orbital lasers using the lasers to _simultaneously_ project holograms of planes “hitting the buildings”, and then to project holograms of the “damaged Towers” for a while. That “smoke and dust” was just the vaporized towers dissipating. Then they ran a holomovie of the towers collapsing, and the “rescue workers” ran in to dump the fake debris. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/59 "2012-07-13T23:23:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Fake rubble. They disintegrated the Towers with orbital lasers using the lasers to _simultaneously_ project holograms of planes “hitting the buildings”, and then to project holograms of the “damaged Towers” for a while. That “smoke and dust” was just the vaporized towers dissipating. Then they ran a holomovie of the towers collapsing, and the “rescue workers” ran in to dump the fake debris. You forgot to mention that the real planes that went missing were also zapped by the orbital laser, and the one that went down in Pennsylvania was just an accidental misfire of the laser. But the Pentagon was definitely hit by a missile. A hologram missile. Projected by the satellite. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/628099/60 "2012-07-14T03:40:47Z")
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