# 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 4, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622 "2015-11-04T15:23:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jroth7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jroth7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jroth7)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/1 "2015-11-04T15:23:43Z")
Just noticed that 9/11 is considered one of the Great Debates. I would argue 9/11 is one of the The Most Important Issues in the History of the Universe. But before I tell you why, consider the 9/11 official story \*Is so stupid that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld didn’t really expect you to believe it. \* > [@](#): > > Nineteen fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, crash airplanes into steel skyscrapers because they “hate our freedom to consume”. Inexplicably the jet fuel, which is basically kerosene that burns at about 400c, took on the qualities of an explosive demolition agent, vaporizing 70 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke and causing 110-story buildings to collapse into a pile of rubble. That jet fuel fire brought down two of the tallest buildings in the world: Improbable, to say the least. Millions believe a LIHOP (Let it Happen on Purpose) version thanks to Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911, because their brain tells them the U.S. government killed 3,000 American citizens to pass the Patriot Act, build up the military and invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Everyone else, after you point out the obvious (110 stories of steel and concrete collapsing at free fall speed), thinks about it for a New York Second and realizes the official story is ridiculous and couldn’t be true. Then, they come to the \*false \*conclusion it was a MIHOP (Made it Happen on Purpose): Bush, Cheney, and the Neocons killed 3,000 Americans so they could pass the Patriot Act, build up the military and invade Afghanistan and Iraq, an inside job. In other words, The Powers That Be (TPTB) expected us to believe the 9/11 Truth story: A rogue element of the US government used controlled demolition to bring down the twin towers. Let me be clear, I agree the US government or some proxy are behind Building 7, the Pentagon and Flight 77. The “Experts” on 9/11 Professor Steven “Cold Fusion” Jones lectures ad nauseam about the obvious, that 110 stories of steel and concrete do not collapse into a pile of rubble from a kerosene fire. Jones’ research, allegedly peer reviewed, has not proven the building collapsed from controlled demolition. Dr. Judy Wood, former professor of mechanical engineering, with expertise in material science concludes the buildings were destroyed using some type of “field effect technology” related to the Hutchison Effect and the presence of Hurricane Erin. Jones, sweet and innocent, looks like he belongs in the Bush administration not in the counterculture community. Wood, marginalized and tossed out of the 9/11-Truth Movement happens to look like a hippie. Dr. David Ray Griffin, author of the New Pearl Harbor, like Jones, lectures frequently at universities and public places explaining in repetitive detail that September 11 was not the result of 19 Arab terrorists and a kerosene fire. However, neither of them will discuss anything that contradicts the controlled demolition theory of the twin towers. The government would not allow the openly treasonous behavior of David Ray and Jones unless the 9/11 Truth Movement was a Counter Intelligence Program (Cointelpro). ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/2 "2015-11-04T15:25:43Z")
\ Really? Tell us more. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/3 "2015-11-04T15:26:23Z")
Déjà vu all over again… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/4 "2015-11-04T15:27:50Z")
Holy Fuck, _again_? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/5 "2015-11-04T15:29:22Z")
What is this 9/11 thing he’s ranting about? Was that on the news? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/6 "2015-11-04T15:30:07Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > What is this 9/11 thing he’s ranting about? Was that on the news? I think it’s the Big Bang. From the OP: > [@](#): > > The Most Important Issues in the History of the Universe ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/7 "2015-11-04T15:31:40Z")
Actually, I’m curious to see if he has anything new. From what I can glean from all that, he doesn’t seem to believe any of the stories about the Twin towers, “Official” or not! ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/8 "2015-11-04T15:32:36Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > What is this 9/11 thing he’s ranting about? Was that on the news? It was the day that a whole new class of conspiracy nuts were created… ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/9 "2015-11-04T15:35:53Z")
Re: the “vaporizing aircraft in a puff of smoke” argument. edit to add - the video is 30 seconds long, and shows an aircraft crashing into a reinforced concrete wall and vaporizing in a puff of smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/10 "2015-11-04T15:36:05Z")
As an Ordinary Member of the Powers That Be, I’m going to raise the matter of the existence of this thread at our next plenary session and table a proposal to make it disappear down the memory hole. You know, just to make sure nobody catches on that my friends and I actually did what the OP says we did. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/11 "2015-11-04T15:37:07Z")
Another 9/11 thread…it must be November… Holy shit, it’s NOVEMBER!!! Fallout 4 is nearly here!!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/12 "2015-11-04T15:37:38Z")
Welcome to the SDMB. [ul][li]WTF are you talking about, and[/li][li]Cite?[/ul][/li]Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/13 "2015-11-04T15:38:35Z")
> [@jroth7](#): > > The government would not allow the openly treasonous behavior of David Ray and Jones unless the 9/11 Truth Movement was a Counter Intelligence Program (Cointelpro). Are you sure you know what treason is? > [@US Constitution](#): > > Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. Related: > [@Bill of Rights](#): > > Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/14 "2015-11-04T15:42:27Z")
You must be further up north, only know of 7/11’s in my area. > [@jroth7](#): > > Millions believe a LIHOP (Let it Happen on Purpose) version thanks to Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 911, because their brain tells them the U.S. government killed 3,000 American citizens to pass the Patriot Act, build up the military and invade Afghanistan and Iraq. If MM’s version is like that, just another reason I dislike him so. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/15 "2015-11-04T15:45:42Z")
I would like to thank the OP for introducing me to the acronyms LIHOP and MIHOP, which I am sure will not come in handy at all. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/16 "2015-11-04T15:45:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Holy Fuck, _again_? It’s become an annual tradition. Unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/17 "2015-11-04T15:45:57Z")
With a conspiracy this vast and powerful there is only one thing we could possibly do: give up. I suggest to The Powers That Be that we ban this topic forevermore, lest we bring down the wrath of THE POWERS THAT BE that secretly control The Powers That Be. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/18 "2015-11-04T15:47:02Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > You must be further up north, only know of 7/11’s in my area. Ah! So LIHOP and MIHOP must be his versions of the International House of Pancakes? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/19 "2015-11-04T15:47:32Z")
Im going to go against the grain here and engage in an actual debate with the OP. “Let it Happen on Purpose” needs to be abbreviated as LHP, not LIHOP. The latter, while catchy and able to be pronounced “lie-hop”, is not a TLA and elevates “it” and “on” to too high status. LHP wins. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/20 "2015-11-04T15:52:42Z")
It Happened On Purpose is just as legit, and much easier to remember. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622.md?page=2)