# 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 4, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622 "2015-11-04T15:23:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/21 "2015-11-04T15:54:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > “Let it Happen on Purpose” needs to be abbreviated as LHP, not LIHOP. The latter, while catchy and able to be pronounced “lie-hop” Anyone else suddenly craving pancakes for some reason? ---
**Author:** ![sweeteviljesus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@sweeteviljesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweeteviljesus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/22 "2015-11-04T15:54:12Z")
Sounds like treason to me. I will alert Agents David Ray and Jones to commence Operation Internet Sweep. That will keep all those who dare question the official story in line. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/23 "2015-11-04T15:54:46Z")
So, ok…I can’t resist: > [@](#): > > Dr. Judy Wood, former professor of mechanical engineering, with expertise in material science concludes the buildings were destroyed using some type of “field effect technology” related to the Hutchison Effect and the presence of Hurricane Erin. For those who don’t know, [this](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Judy_Wood) is the Rational Wiki on Dr. Judy Wood and her claim…with a brief blurb as to what her stake in this was: > [@](#): > > Judy Wood > Judy Wood Ph.D. is a materials scientist and former assistant professor of mechanical engineering who believes the World Trade Center towers were destroyed by a directed energy weapon. > > She earned her doctorate in materials engineering science from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, in 1992. Her dissertation was on the topic of thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. > > From 1996-9 she was a postdoctoral research associate in the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Tech. > > From 1999 to 2006 she taught mechanical engineering at Clemson University in Clemson, South Carolina. > [@](#): > > Dustification > > Dr Wood’s observation of the destruction of the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 led her to the conviction that the towers did not collapse but were “dustified” by a directed energy weapon. According to her, dustification involves molecular dissociation and transmutation. > > In a whole series of lectures and media appearances[1], Wood has maintained that the debris pile was nowhere near tall enough to account for the aggregate mass of the towers and their contents. Rather, she states, the towers were pulverized[2] in mid-air and simply blew away on the breeze. > > On her web site, Wood presents a 41-point list of “The principal evidence that must be explained.” It includes (point 9) “The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth”, and (point 6) “The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.”[3] > > She consistently declines to speculate about the exact nature of the weapon involved[4], where it was situated or who operated it. Her position is that, as a scientist, her role is to determine what happened that day. Others might or might not address those more political questions. > > In 2010 her 544-page book Where Did the Towers Go? Evidence of Directed Free-energy Technology on 9/11 was published by “The New Investigation.”[5][6][7] > > On 10 January 2007, at the National Press Club, Dr Wood agreed to be interviewed on video by Dr Greg Jenkins, a physicist who was unconvinced by Dr Wood’s theory of dustification. Opinion is sharply bilateral – some analysts have claimed a triumph for Greg Jenkins[8], others the reverse[9][10]. (I absolutely LOVE the dustification theory :p) > [@](#): > > Legal actions > > On 25 April 2007 Wood was Plaintiff/Relator in a qui tam[11] petition to The United States District Court, Southern District of New York. In the nature of the Qui tam process, she was acting on behalf of the United States of America. She named a list of 23 respondents headed by Applied Research Associates, Inc. (ARA) and Science Applications International Corp.(SAIC)[12]. > > The petition claimed that the respondents acted fraudulently in giving advice to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) during their investigation of the destruction of the World Trade Center towers. The Statement of Case included these words: > > ``` > "Those who performed work and received payment from NIST are alleged to have engaged in scientific fraud by petitioner, Dr. Wood, a materials engineering scientist, based upon a process of fraud documented by Dr. Wood’s original source research and findings that concluded that the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed by an unconventional energy weapon that can be directed and thus is referred to as a form of what are called “directed energy weapons” (DEW)." > > "Dr. Wood has demonstrated that the Twin Towers did not burn up nor did a significant portion of them crash down; they turned to powder in mid air and fire cannot turn a quarter-mile tall building to powder in 8-10 seconds. The respondents herein knew or should have known this and they therefore engaged in actionable fraud within the meaning of the False Claims Act." > > ``` > > After a prolonged series of hearings, addressing the question whether Dr Wood’s status was or was not an “original source”, the District Court dismissed the petition on 26 June 2008. Wood filed an appeal which was denied by Judge George Daniels on 11 July 2008. > > On 14 October 2009 Wood filed a petition for a writ of a certiorari (plea for judicial review) in the US Supreme Court. Briefs on behalf of two respondents were filed during December 2009. The petition was denied on 25 January 2010.[13] > > Wood potentially stood to cash in big-time if her petition had succeeded, since successful qui tam relators are normally granted 15-25% of the final settlement. In fact, in this case, since the Attorney General declined to intervene, the relator’s share could have been boosted to as much as 30%. The original petition sought to recover “all available damages and other monetary relief under the common law or equitable theories of unjust enrichment, payment under mistake of fact, recoupment of overpayments and common law fraud”.[14] The suit also claimed “[T]he amount of the United States’ damages, multiplied as required by law, and such civil penalties as are required by law, together with all such further relief as may be just and proper”.[15] ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/24 "2015-11-04T16:04:22Z")
Goddammit, she has to be a Hokie? :sad: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/25 "2015-11-04T16:07:27Z")
OP should have waited 5 days to open this thread - then atleast there would have been some symmetry. ---
**Author:** ![jroth7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jroth7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jroth7)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/26 "2015-11-04T16:09:25Z")
I am surprised to say the least. I honestly didn’t know anyone was still interested in this issue. You will enjoy reading [Debunking Conspiracy Theorists Paranoid Fantasies About 9-11](http://serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm) By the late Gerard Holmgren. He was one of the top 9/11researchers in the world. I consider myself fortunate that he would respond to my emails a year before he died from health issues (no conspiracy). When I asked Gerard about Judy Wood his response was she is really “deep cover.” Several of you wanted to know what I believe 9/11 was really about. Here it is in satire. I hope you enjoy it. [9/11 Breaking News: Nikola Tesla Testifies at NY Grand Jury on 9/11](http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/09/10/breaking-news-nikola-tesla-testifies-at--11) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/27 "2015-11-04T16:13:56Z")
> [@jroth7](#): > > I am surprised to say the least. I honestly didn’t know anyone was still interested in this issue. You will enjoy reading [Debunking Conspiracy Theorists Paranoid Fantasies About 9-11](http://serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm) By the late Gerard Holmgren. He was one of the top 9/11researchers in the world. I consider myself fortunate that he would respond to my emails a year before he died from health issues (no conspiracy). > When I asked Gerard about Judy Wood his response was she is really “deep cover.” > Several of you wanted to know what I believe 9/11 was really about. > > Here it is in satire. I hope you enjoy it. > > [9/11 Breaking News: Nikola Tesla Testifies at NY Grand Jury on 9/11](http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/09/10/breaking-news-nikola-tesla-testifies-at--11) We have debunked this freaking dead horse so often on this board that we are even tired of doing that at this point, and this board lives for debunking crazy crap like the various 9/11 CTs. There are hundreds of old threads on this stupid topic…feel free to do a search. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/28 "2015-11-04T16:17:10Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > You must be further up north, only know of 7/11’s in my area. 7/11 was a part-time job. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/29 "2015-11-04T16:20:56Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > 7/11 was a part-time job. I go to the 7-11 to get the 411 on 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/30 "2015-11-04T16:24:34Z")
Let’s debate whether 9/11 is really equal to 0.8181818181… ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/31 "2015-11-04T16:38:18Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Re: the “vaporizing aircraft in a puff of smoke” argument. > > edit to add - the video is 30 seconds long, and shows an aircraft crashing into a reinforced concrete wall and vaporizing in a puff of smoke. Obviously faked. They say the plane is going 800 KM/H but on the video it’s obviously moving only 2 or 3 KM/H. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/32 "2015-11-04T16:42:07Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Obviously faked. They say the plane is going 800 KM/H but on the video it’s obviously moving only 2 or 3 KM/H. Yeah, it’s moving really slow. Plus, the guy is speaking German, so you know it’s got to be a fake. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/33 "2015-11-04T16:57:57Z")
> [@jroth7](#): > > I honestly didn’t know anyone was still interested in this issue No one is. The government is keeping it alive (sponsoring the websites, writing the books and infiltrating talk shows) in order to distract us from rampant inequality, racism and the threat of minority groups. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/34 "2015-11-04T16:59:42Z")
Which part of the conspiracy tipped you off? That a Boeing 767, weighing somewhere around 300,000 pounds, holding about 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, and traveling faster than 450 miles per hour couldn’t possibly destroy a big building? That buildings don’t fall straight down, even though you can find thousands of internet videos showing that buildings, stadiums, bridges and all sorts of things fall straight down? That Middle Eastern hijackers crashing airplanes into buildings was a coverup for government demolitions experts who actually used explosives to crash buildings? Okay, I have a question for you. Assuming the government did everything you say it did, and managed to pull it off brilliantly, and managed to keep it a secret for all these years, why did the Bush administration NOT ceremoniously capture and execute Osama Bin Laden sometime during the next seven years, leaving that nagging little detail to Obama, someone they didn’t even like? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/35 "2015-11-04T17:03:21Z")
> [@jroth7](#): > > Several of you wanted to know what I believe 9/11 was really about. > > Here it is in satire. I hope you enjoy it. > > [9/11 Breaking News: Nikola Tesla Testifies at NY Grand Jury on 9/11](http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/09/10/breaking-news-nikola-tesla-testifies-at--11) Without cloaking it in riddle or satire, could you just tell us directly what you really believe 9/11 was really about? ---
**Author:** ![jroth7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e56c9b/32.png) [@jroth7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jroth7)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/36 "2015-11-04T17:21:18Z")
From [9/11 Breaking News: Nikola Tesla Testifies at NY Grand Jury on 9/11](http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/09/10/breaking-news-nikola-tesla-testifies-at--11) Nikola, you are a genius and deserve to be one of the 100 most famous people to have lived in the last 1,000 years and you are a man with a broad vision of the cosmos and the role that the ether (or aether) plays in the manifestations of all electrical phenomena. Furthermore, you have confirmed our allegation that TPTB wanted to weaken the Earth. Can you confirm if a Metaphysical Catechism would result in the creation of an abrupt disruption in the equilibrium of the ether fractions (Light, Warmth and Chemical Ethers) using one-way, high-magnitude pulses of short duration could explain the collapse of the Twin Towers? . . . Robert Singer writes about Secrets, Sentient Creatures and The Federal Reserve at The Peoples Voice and The Market Oracle ([http://twitter.com/rds2301](http://twitter.com/rds2301)) If you make people think they’re thinking, they’ll love you; but if you really make them think, they’ll hate you."-- Don Marquis ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/37 "2015-11-04T17:30:10Z")
Like **Czarcasm** , other Dopers, the Illuminati, most sentient life forms, and the aliens who keep kidnapping and anally probing me as part of a deeply laid conspiracy involving the New World Order, Halliburton, New Coke, and the fact that one of my socks is missing from the washing machine every time and my wife says she doesn’t know why, I am having trouble understanding what you propose. AFAICT you believe the official story that an airliner could possibly bring down a building is too preposterous to be credible. But apparently Bush, Cheney, _et al._ know that this is simply beyond possibility. Thus what Bush/Cheney/international bankers/our new insect overlords _really_ want us to believe is that “A rogue element of the US government used controlled demolition to bring down the twin towers.” My questions thus as follows: [ul][li]Is controlled demolition really what happened?[/li][li]If it is, why do The Powers That Be/a Jewish cabal seeking to violate the purity of essence of our Precious Bodily Fluids/ **THEM** want us to believe it? [/li][li]If not, why couldn’t they come up with a more plausible story, like radioactive tree sloths digging away the foundations or something?[/ul][/li]Back later. My dog is sending invisible mind control rays forcing me to buy gold and let him out to go potty. Regards, Shodan Charter Member of the Brainwashed Sheeple ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/38 "2015-11-04T17:30:25Z")
Ooooookay. \ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/39 "2015-11-04T17:30:31Z")
An _answer_ would involve directly answering the question I asked, which you didn’t do. Are you done being cute yet? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622/40 "2015-11-04T17:39:01Z")
> [@jroth7](#): > > Jones, sweet and innocent, looks like he belongs in the Bush administration not in the counterculture community. Wood, marginalized and tossed out of the 9/11-Truth Movement happens to look like a hippie. > > Dr. David Ray Griffin, author of the New Pearl Harbor, like Jones, lectures frequently at universities and public places explaining in repetitive detail that September 11 was not the result of 19 Arab terrorists and a kerosene fire. However, neither of them will discuss anything that contradicts the controlled demolition theory of the twin towers. > > The government would not allow the openly treasonous behavior of David Ray and Jones unless the 9/11 Truth Movement was a Counter Intelligence Program (Cointelpro). Every hear of Free Speech? The government has to allow people to speak, regardless of how stupid they are saying it. WHY won’t Jones & Griffin discuss anything that contradicts the controlled demolition theory? Because it is a stupid theory. ETA: This is one of the funniest 9/11 threads I ever read. Now I’m hitting the local IHOP and 7-11. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-11/736622.md?page=3)