# 9 year old girl accidentally kills gun range instructor with Uzi. (RO) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660 "2014-08-27T18:12:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/61 "2014-08-28T17:38:41Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I know a place a couple of hours outside of Las Vegas that has one. It works quite well, too! Is it family-friendly? ---
**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/62 "2014-08-28T17:40:49Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > My dad let me shoot machine guns all the time when I was three, and let me drive our station wagon cross-country while he slept in the back, and it was perfectly fine and safe and lots of fun. > > Also, more kids die while riding tricycles and jumping on trampolines than shooting Uzis, therefore I guess you want to ban swimming pools and sleeping bags too. > > Also, freedom and liberty and 2nd Amendment. > > Just figured I’d get those out of the way. You forgot “Because 'Murica!” Regards, -Bouncer- ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/63 "2014-08-28T17:42:15Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > And I know, I’m probably contradicing myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. Hey, that’s _my_ line! Don’t plagiarize my plagiarism! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/64 "2014-08-28T18:22:06Z")
[The NRA responds with “7 ways children can have fun at the shooting range.”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/27/nra-children-gun-range_n_5725674.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013) ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/65 "2014-08-28T18:28:40Z")
Is “Shooting your instructor” on the list? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/66 "2014-08-28T19:05:53Z")
I think that’s #5 on the list, right behind “Pretend your target is liberal/black/foreign-looking.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/67 "2014-08-28T19:12:37Z")
Actually, one of the suggestions is to have “zombie-shaped cutout” targets. Now, the last time I checked a zombie stood upright, had two arms and two legs and a torso…sound familiar? ---
**Author:** ![common\_good](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@common\_good](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/common_good)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/68 "2014-08-28T19:15:53Z")
Guns are for cowards. Anyone who would hand a gun to a kid SHOULD be shot. He died doing what he loved; fucking-up the minds of children and other customers. The US is insanely in love with guns. It makes me sick. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/69 "2014-08-28T19:29:27Z")
> [@common\_good](#): > > The US is insanely in love with guns. It makes me sick. Are you still pissed about your tea taxes, its been 240 years, give it up already. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/70 "2014-08-28T20:04:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Yep, you stepped in it now. One slip of nomenclature and you’ve totally invalidated every position, statement and idea you’ve ever stated, had or will have in the future, on any subject. > > Bummer. Haftasay, I was expecting the customary shitstorm about people who call firearms by the wrong names, and thank you and good night the entire thread, but it seems not to have happened. At least, not yet. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/71 "2014-08-28T21:55:16Z")
I just read somewhere that the range where this happened has now raised it’s minimum shooting age to 12 years old. That could be just for full auto firearms though. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/72 "2014-08-28T22:41:25Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Is “Shooting your instructor” on the list? The N.R A. Calls it “Getting ahead of yourself”. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/73 "2014-08-29T04:21:22Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Haftasay, I was expecting the customary shitstorm about people who call firearms by the wrong names, and thank you and good night the entire thread, but it seems not to have happened. > > At least, not yet. Well the “shitstorm” that erupts is not usually over nomenclature. I don’t see shitstorms erupt because someone says “clip” instead of “magazine” Most of the quibbling I have seen comes in when people think that assault weapons=machine guns. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/74 "2014-08-29T04:24:30Z")
I don’t want to speak ill of the dead but I can’t believe he would let a 9 year old handle a machine gun. Its monumentally stupid and when people do monumentally stupid things, bad things can happen. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/75 "2014-08-29T07:14:52Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Also, I’d like to have a go with an Uzi some time. Not me. I mean, intellectually, I can grasp the concept of recreational shooting, up to a point. But an automatic weapon for recreational shooting? ISTM that the big draw with that would be the adrenaline rush, and that places the enterprise uncomfortably close to the line where the participants begin to think of the weapon as a toy. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/76 "2014-08-29T08:05:26Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well the “shitstorm” that erupts is not usually over nomenclature. I don’t see shitstorms erupt because someone says “clip” instead of “magazine” > > Most of the quibbling I have seen comes in when people think that assault weapons=machine guns. YMMV This is more or less correct. The retards in this thread want to create the straw argument that gun nuts say “Oh that’s not a M433A, that’s an M433B, clearly you don’t know shit, so you can’t talk on this issue” The issue is usually more like “we need to ban those machine guns” “Well, those aren’t machine guns. A machine gun functions like this, and while these guns have a superficial resemblance to those, they function differently, like this” To which comes the “YEAH YOU JERK OFF TO YOUR NOMENCLATURE, WHO CARES ABOUT THAT SHIT” sorts of replies. It’s not an issue of nomenclature. No one is disqualifying you for using “clip” or “magazine” wrong. It’s more like, after some street racing accidents between neon-painted cars, you’re coming in and saying “these fast cars are too dangerous, we need to ban all the red cars”, and someone says “the color of the car actually isn’t related to the speed…” “SHUT UP I DON’T CARE ABOUT THESE TECHNICALITIES JUST BAN THEM” This is one of the few issues on which the majority of the SDMB circle jerks themselves into a proud frenzy over their own ignorance. And then they have to cover up that actual flaw with exaggerated responses to straw arguments, like in this thread. They should be embarassed, but they get propped up by people who share their ignorance and disdain all hooting their support, they actually feel quite smug about it. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/77 "2014-08-29T08:37:27Z")
Aaaand here we go. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/78 "2014-08-29T08:47:29Z")
SenorBeef: Bullshit. Or rather, “I wouldn’t characterize things in that particular manner.” I’ll give an example: > [@18 Dead In First European High School Shooting - What About The Gun Control Argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/18-dead-in-first-european-high-school-shooting-what-about-the-gun-control-argument/105809/101): > > Interesting table. Note that Finland, showcased by myself on page 1, has gun ownership rates of 23-50%. I don’t know whether they allow Tek-9’s and handguns, though. > > (For those who care, I found a site which purports to compare gun laws across countries: [http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm](http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm) ) > [@18 Dead In First European High School Shooting - What About The Gun Control Argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/18-dead-in-first-european-high-school-shooting-what-about-the-gun-control-argument/105809/103): > > Do you know what a “Tek-9” actually is? > [@18 Dead In First European High School Shooting - What About The Gun Control Argument?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/18-dead-in-first-european-high-school-shooting-what-about-the-gun-control-argument/105809/110): > > What do you think a Tek-9 is, flowbark? Surely, you’re not just listing off a name of a ‘scary’ gun without knowing what it is, right? Ok right, this occurred years ago (12!). But check out the wikipedia link: [TEC-9 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9) Yes, it’s a handgun that can be [retrofitted](http://www.keepshooting.com/full-auto-kg-99-tec-9-conversion.html) into a machine gun, as casual viewers of _Miami Vice_ and readers of the newspaper are aware of. But it sure doesn’t _look_ like a typical handgun does it **SenorBeef**? And most revolvers can’t be easily converted into automatics to my knowledge. Note that 2 gunnuts responded to my rather detailed post (you can click the link) with basically a technical irrelevancy (you can click their links too). Right and OMG! I mis-spelled it too! ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/79 "2014-08-29T08:49:07Z")
The weirdest thing in this, to me, is that the parents were the ones who took the video footage. Which _they_ must have released… WTF? A fucking tragedy\* occurs where your daughter manages to kill someone, while you are filming, and your first move is to make the footage public? - for certain version of tragedy. My view is that the instructor deserves his Darwin award ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660/80 "2014-08-29T09:12:58Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > SenorBeef: Bullshit. Or rather, “I wouldn’t characterize things in that particular manner.” > > I’ll give an example: > Ok right, this occurred years ago (12!). But check out the wikipedia link: [TEC-9 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9) > > Yes, it’s a handgun that can be [retrofitted](http://www.keepshooting.com/full-auto-kg-99-tec-9-conversion.html) into a machine gun, as casual viewers of _Miami Vice_ and readers of the newspaper are aware of. But it sure doesn’t _look_ like a typical handgun does it **SenorBeef**? And most revolvers can’t be easily converted into automatics to my knowledge. Note that 2 gunnuts responded to my rather detailed post (you can click the link) with basically a technical irrelevancy (you can click their links too). > > Right and OMG! I mis-spelled it too! I honestly don’t even understand the point you’re trying to make. You seemed to bring the subject of tek-9s out of nowhere in that thread, and listed them as if they were a category of firearm. When you say “I don’t know if they allow tek-9s and handguns”, it sounds like you’re saying "I don’t know if they allow guns of type A or type B. It sounds like you don’t know what a tek-9 is, and maybe you’re thinking is a general term for a category like submachine guns. Or something. So two posters asked you what it was you were trying to say, because, quite frankly, it was indeed an odd thing to say. It doesn’t help on top of that that during the 80s and 90s the tek-9 in particular was the target of a lot of scaremongering in the media, so it really does sound like you don’t know what you’re talking about. But even if I’ve somehow misread that situation, it’s hardly a good example of the sort of point you’re trying to make. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/9-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-gun-range-instructor-with-uzi-ro/696660.md?page=5)