# 99? Rookies! I say 100%!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035 "2011-10-08T22:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/41 "2011-10-09T00:56:43Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Dude, freaking out and going into some kind of hysterical frenzy about unwashed hippies is not helping your credibility at all. Hold on a minute, everyone. Something amazing happened to me just now. I think **magellan01** might be on to something. I was walking along the sidewalk when a car drove past and splashed mud all over me. In an instant, I suddenly realized the inherent wisdom in higher capital gains taxes and single-payer health care. I took a shower and it all washed off, but still, quite an experience. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/42 "2011-10-09T01:28:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think there was a whole lot of wrong going on. I don’t think we should have bailed out companies that failed just so they could go back to business as usual. So, you were for Dodd Frank? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/43 "2011-10-09T01:45:48Z")
I’m not so down with the protests, but I don’t understand the whole Stockholm Syndrome attitude that non-wealthy conservatives have towards the 1%-ers. People without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of so completely bought into the status quo just doesn’t compute. You think you’re all badass because you suck NRA dick and pretend to love Jesus, but you’re taking it up the ass from the wealth-hoarding overlords like utterly submissive twinks. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/44 "2011-10-09T02:24:24Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > I’m not so down with the protests, but I don’t understand the whole Stockholm Syndrome attitude that non-wealthy conservatives have towards the 1%-ers. People without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of so completely bought into the status quo just doesn’t compute. You think you’re all badass because you suck NRA dick and pretend to love Jesus, but you’re taking it up the ass from the wealth-hoarding overlords like utterly submissive twinks. The sad delusion of non-rich conservatives. Here’s a pertinent quote from [“Cool, Considerate Men,” in the musical _1776_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDNTS2wHHo&t=0m25s) (from 1969) > [@Cool Considerate Men](#): > > \*\*John Dickinson:\*\*Be careful, sir, history will brand [Adams] and his followers as traitors. > > **Hancock:** Traitors, Mr. Dickinson? To what? The British crown, or the British half-crown? Fortunately there are not enough men of property in America to dictate policy. > > **John Dickinson:** Perhaps not. **But don’t forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. And that is why they’ll follow us… to the Right… ever to the Right.** ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/45 "2011-10-09T02:29:14Z")
Name calling is an old right wing trick. You identify the people you don’t like as "unwashed or "hippies’ or pretend they wont take all the jobs that are out there, and everyone has to agree that they are not likable hard working types who have a right to complain. One in 5 kids is in need of food. There are about one million foreclosures a year since our fine upstanding and very clean bankers crashed the world economy. One in 8 people are getting food stamps . What do they have to complain about? The unemployment rate is over 9 percent. Millions more have given up looking for work due to endless frustration and rejection. There are more than 5 people after every job opening. I suppose all them are just so annoying to the rightys. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/46 "2011-10-09T02:36:17Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I think there was a whole lot of wrong going on. I don’t think we should have bailed out companies that failed just so they could go back to business as usual. I wish more people went to jail. Madoff was almost too easy. He was an island of crookery. For me, the proper place for any protest is in Washington, putting regulations in place to prevent them from gaming the system again. But no, these idiots think Obama is their savior. They don’t know what the hell they’re doing. The important thing “solidarity”, to feel part of something, if if they have no friggin idea what they want. Taking everyone’s grievance and adding it up does not equal having one specific gripe and going after that. I’m pleasantly surprised. After reading half the thread, I did not expect this level of coherency from you. Good work. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/47 "2011-10-09T02:37:17Z")
Not how they’ll play it. They’ll play to the frightened middle class, the ones who haven’t lost their livlihoods, but are scared to death that they might. They’ll tell those people that the left will take all their money, and give it to the poor. Then they will be poor as well, thus making us all equal. They’ll throw in some conscience salve. Poor are lazy and made bad choices, tough noogies for them, but the deserving must soldier on. Austerity. Austerity will fix everything. That’s the thing about the Forces of Darkness. Finally, in the end, it all boils down to fear. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/48 "2011-10-09T02:52:11Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I’m pleasantly surprised. After reading half the thread, I did not expect this level of coherency from you. Good work. Except for the part about Obama-as-Savior. I have seen no evidence from the Ocupado crowd that they have any particular allegiance to Obama. But to **Maggie,** anything to the left of Sarah Palin just swirls together in a filthy liberal melange. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/49 "2011-10-09T03:03:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Not how they’ll play it. They’ll play to the frightened middle class, the ones who haven’t lost their livlihoods, but are scared to death that they might. They’ll tell those people that the left will take all their money, and give it to the poor. Then they will be poor as well, thus making us all equal. Reminds me of one of the better political jokes from recent times: A Tea Partier, a billionaire, and a public sector union guy are sitting around a table with a dozen cookies. The billionaire takes eleven cookies and tells the Tea Partier “You’d better watch out for that union guy, he’s got his eyes on your cookie.” ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/50 "2011-10-09T03:04:32Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Except for the part about Obama-as-Savior. I have seen no evidence from the Ocupado crowd that they have any particular allegiance to Obama. But to **Maggie,** anything to the left of Sarah Palin just swirls together in a filthy liberal melange. Seriously, \*au contraire \*- I think most think Obama isn’t leaning nearly far enough to the left. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/51 "2011-10-09T03:09:24Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > Seriously, \*au contraire \*- I think most think Obama isn’t leaning nearly far enough to the left. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/52 "2011-10-09T03:20:01Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Reminds me of one of the better political jokes from recent times: A Tea Partier, a billionaire, and a public sector union guy are sitting around a table with a dozen cookies. The billionaire takes eleven cookies and tells the Tea Partier “You’d better watch out for that union guy, he’s got his eyes on your cookie.” Ha ha! It’s funny because they’re getting away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/53 "2011-10-09T03:27:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Only if they set their sights higher. 100%, man. Now THAT"S a mandate! > > And these douches resemble the Tea Partiers not a wit. Just look at how filthy they are. Look how unorganized. Everyone’d got their own friggin thing to bitch about. The only common denominator for the “solidarity” (:rolleyes:) is that their a bunch of whiners wanted things handed to them. “I have school debt—save me—I am the 99%.” “I can’t afford my mortgage—save me—I am the 99%” “I’m a shitty artist who doesn’t make $100,000 a year—save me—I am the 99%.” > > Like I said, laughing me ass off. So, the only difference between the two groups is that the Tea Partiers bathe more? ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/54 "2011-10-09T04:56:11Z")
I wouldn’t worry **magellan01** , nothing will come of it. The Democrats have started their moves to usurp the movement and turn it into a tool to reelect Obama. Kind of like they did with the Iraq war protests last time around. Notice how they stopped, but the wars didn’t, after Obama was elected. Pretty funny that they can now pretend to be onside with the protesters. Obama’s last campaign fund received the most Wall Street cash ever, it is his policies that propped up Wall Street, and he already has declared his second term agenda of cuts to services for the most needy. No you can rest easy. The Democratic Party is where social protest movements go to die. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/55 "2011-10-09T05:07:13Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I hope you are still laughing when the bread riots break out and the bankers are being strung up from light poles. A little reading of history will show you exactly how close the world is to melting down, as the rich finally get what the people think is coming to them. I almost certain that you, and most of those “fuck the rich” in these marches, are comfortably in the “rich” category by most of the world’s standards. 100k of debt is crippling you after you got top-notch education? How about 1k of debt makes you kids go hungry for a year. Then talk to me about “the rich” and what they deserve. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/56 "2011-10-09T05:55:12Z")
Obliquely, you touch on a point I’m wondering about. The “kids” who are pissed about being so far in debt. I’m wondering if that is a more significant development than we have realized. In a ghastly way, their young lives are much like one of those mortgage security phantoms. They have mortgaged their projected future earnings in order to position themselves to achieve such earnings. And face the prospect of those earnings no longer being feasible, for the foreseeable future. Another dot to connect. Used to be, for college kids, the golden road was the law. Then it was medicine. Then it was comp sci, and then it was business. How many MBA’s are we graduating this year? How much does a business school cost, one that will make the recipient of your resume eager to recruit you? Well, its an investment, isn’t it? In fact, thats just about all it is, paying the dues required to join the club, majoring in the White Studies Program. Big investment houses collapse, thousands upon thousands of equally well educated and _experienced!_ personnel are suddenly available at dollar store prices. These kids are in hock up to their shell-like ears, and they just got their ticket to the good life, but there’s been a mistake, the ticket says barista, it says pizza delivery. But the loan papers still reflect a first-class ticket to capitalist Heaven. So that’s different. Most of the occupying army are pissed at the guys in the Club, these kids are pissed because they spent years of their young lives trying to get into the Club, only to find membership lists are closed. Now, here is a small spot of good news for them. Maybe. With the kind of regulation we are going to need, we will need quite a lot of investigators, inspectors, that sort of thing. Young people with a solid education in business would fit the bill nicely. Of course, we are only talking about a civil service salary, in the “pretty good” range. But maybe, considering their service to their country, we can bear some of the burden for their education. Seeing as how that is what makes them so useful in the first place, sure, why not? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/57 "2011-10-09T07:25:01Z")
Bankers? Lamp posts? These guys can’t even block traffic. Besides, that’s what the Pinkertons are for right? > [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > Pretty funny that they can now pretend to be onside with the protesters. Obama’s last campaign fund received the most Wall Street cash ever, it is his policies that propped up Wall Street, and he already has declared his second term agenda of cuts to services for the most needy. I never understood this LOTE rationalization thing so popular with disillusioned liberals, I mean uh progressives. Me, I always vote a straight R’lyeh ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/58 "2011-10-09T12:49:38Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I almost certain that you, and most of those “fuck the rich” in these marches, are comfortably in the “rich” category by most of the world’s standards. And I am certain that most of the Tea Partiers bleating about “freedom” are already among the most free people in the world. That hasn’t shut them up either. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/59 "2011-10-09T13:49:24Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > For me, the proper place for any protest is in Washington, putting regulations in place to prevent them from gaming the system again. So I assume you’ll be campaigning and voting for Democrats in 2012? Or are you [confused](http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/08/romney-would-repeal-dodd-frank-law/FrxSh5Jqsdveyjy5tgKzxK/index.html)about what the two parties are [doing](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704893604576200833844974312.html)in Washington D.C. these last three years? ---
**Author:** ![diggerwam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/919ad9/32.png) [@diggerwam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diggerwam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/60 "2011-10-09T15:39:47Z")
I went to an organizational meeting of “Occupy” in my hometown yesterday. Th facebook page just got started last week and yet there were 50 people that showed up. Young, old and unwashed hippies. With this movement just in its infancy, It’s to be expected that it’s unfocused, that will improve in time. Mock these folks at your own risk, because even if this particular movement does not take hold, millions of frustrated people still exist and it’s still legal for them to vote. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=4)