# 99? Rookies! I say 100%!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035 "2011-10-08T22:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/81 "2011-10-10T13:31:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The guys who nail hubcaps to the sides of their mobile homes were never threatened by any tax increases by Obama Won’t some of 'em face increased taxes under what’s colloquially known as Obamacare? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/82 "2011-10-10T13:33:27Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Won’t some of 'em face increased taxes under what’s colloquially known as Obamacare? Not if they have health insurance. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/83 "2011-10-10T13:37:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Not if they have health insurance. So was **BobLibDem** correct or incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/84 "2011-10-10T13:39:47Z")
I wouldn’t know. Would you? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/85 "2011-10-10T13:41:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Won’t some of 'em face increased taxes under what’s colloquially known as Obamacare? Doubtful. A lot of them came to the rallies in their Medicare-provided Rascal scooters sucking air from Medicare-provided oxygen tanks protesting to keep government out of health care. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/86 "2011-10-10T13:43:41Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Forget Straw Man, you are Transparent Boy. Keep laughing at yourself. You know, even humor, sarcasm, and ridicule have to comport with logic. So try again. But before you do, perhaps you could supply the support for your previous idiocy, which I requested. Unless, of course, you’re simply full of shit. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/87 "2011-10-10T13:50:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Doubtful. A lot of them came to the rallies in their Medicare-provided Rascal scooters So you’re extrapolating from “a lot” to get to “never” by way of – “doubtful”. Help me out with what you mean by “a lot”: are the majority, or a minority, of Tea Party folks on Medicare? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/88 "2011-10-10T14:00:11Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > So you’re extrapolating from “a lot” to get to “never” by way of – “doubtful”. > > Help me out with what you mean by “a lot”: are the majority, or a minority, of Tea Party folks on Medicare? I’d say there are many many more on Medicare than those that would ever assume a tax liability for “Obamacare”. They were out protesting before the bill was even drafted so the notion that they digested the bill and determined whether they would gain or lose is laughable. They weren’t protesting taxes, taxes were and are at historic lows. They weren’t protesting the tax implications of health care reform, they were puppets dancing for the Koch Brothers. What got them to the rallies was Obama’s race, pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/89 "2011-10-10T14:36:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’d say there are many many more on Medicare than those that would ever assume a tax liability for “Obamacare”. But certainly not _ **half** _ of 'em are on Medicare, right? And, realistically, not even a third of 'em? > [@](#): > > They were out protesting before the bill was even drafted so the notion that they digested the bill and determined whether they would gain or lose is laughable. Of course they hadn’t digested the bill; the right-wing talking point that carried the day with 'em was Pelosi’s sound-bite about how _“we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”_. But surely they figured it would involve increasing taxes, as surely as they were told it wouldn’t, as surely as they were correct? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/90 "2011-10-10T17:00:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bullshit. What specific tax increases were the TPers protesting? The guys who nail hubcaps to the sides of their mobile homes were never threatened by any tax increases by Obama, but they sure as hell came out of the woodwork the minute a black guy set his hand on the Bible and took the oath of office. Why must they be protesting a particular, specific tax in order to be a tax protest movement? Why not take them at their word, for what they say they stand for? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/91 "2011-10-10T17:07:40Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Why must they be protesting a particular, specific tax in order to be a tax protest movement? Why not take them at their word, for what they say they stand for? Because taxes are a a 60 year low. It is a specious argument, ginned up by the investor class, who would rather increase their profit margin by reducing taxes to an unsustainable level, rather than through honest work, or creating new products or services. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/92 "2011-10-10T17:09:55Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > …but they sure as hell came out of the woodwork the minute a black guy set his hand on the Bible and took the oath of office. Qur’an ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/93 "2011-10-10T17:42:28Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And these douches resemble the Tea Partiers not a wit. Just look at how filthy they are. Look how unorganized. Everyone’d got their own friggin thing to bitch about. That’s the Tea Partiers. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/94 "2011-10-10T17:44:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That’s the Tea Partiers. You can also tell them apart by crowd noise. If you hear something that sounds like a cloud of locusts, it’s the flapping underarm-wattle of a Tea-Party crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/95 "2011-10-10T17:47:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because taxes are a a 60 year low. It is a specious argument, ginned up by the investor class, who would rather increase their profit margin by reducing taxes to an unsustainable level, rather than through honest work, or creating new products or services. I didn’t ask anyone to assume the tea party platform was reasonable or correct. I only asked you to assume good faith-that they actually believe what they say they do. “Their arguments are stupid because taxes are at historic lows” is a valid response to the tea party platform. “What they’re REALLY protesting is that a black person got elected” is not. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/96 "2011-10-10T17:54:09Z")
Personally, I don’t think the TeaBaggers were protesting because a black man was elected president. I think they were protesting because a Democrat was elected president. The fact that that Democrat was a black man just padded their rolls. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/97 "2011-10-10T18:17:25Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I didn’t ask anyone to assume the tea party platform was reasonable or correct. I only asked you to assume good faith-that they actually believe what they say they do. “Their arguments are stupid because taxes are at historic lows” is a valid response to the tea party platform. “What they’re REALLY protesting is that a black person got elected” is not. Never looked at their signs, have you? Okay, not black person, Kenyan Muslim instead, okay? The TPers are in the 99%. That they are protesting tax increases for the 1% shows that they are stupid or brainwashed or both. Either that, or “take back America” might be really what they want - and we know who they want to take it back from, don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/98 "2011-10-10T18:59:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > We, they actually do, but it is largely the power to drag Hank Paulson and Robert Benmosche into the street and burn tires around their necks. If we continue on the current path of wealth concentration, it may come to that. Bookmarked for easy citation the next time someone talks about how the ring wing has a monopoly on discussing violence against disliked targets with approval. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/99 "2011-10-10T19:05:38Z")
“Bookmarked for easy citation the [del]next[/del] first time someone talks about how the right wing has a monopoly on discussing violence against disliked targets with approval.” Fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/100 "2011-10-10T19:06:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bookmarked for easy citation the next time someone talks about how the ring wing has a monopoly on discussing violence against disliked targets with approval. I took it as a bit of a stretchy comparison between USA now, and France a couple centuries ago just before all hell broke loose. Are you sure you actually see approval in FI’s post? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=6)