# 99? Rookies! I say 100%!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035 "2011-10-08T22:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/161 "2011-10-12T21:51:56Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You are a small, angry thing motivated by emotion, so I will explain this to you: > > [ul] > [li]You have not seen every TV depiction of both groups.[/li][li]You are ideological so you may be skewing what you see. For instance, because you are bigoted, you cannot understand that your argument against same sex marriage is nothing but a statement of that bigotry.[/li][li]The set of TV depictions in no way represents a solid demographic sampling of both groups.[/li][/ul] :rolleyes: You and that guy in your mirror and both jackasses. Here’s a test: why do you think I used the phrase “appear to be”, as opposed to “are”? Oh look, lucky you! You get shown to be a blind partisan with poor reading skills and get lessons on the English language and communication FOR FREE! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/162 "2011-10-12T21:51:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > From the Tea Party members I’ve seen on TV, they, too, appear to be better educated. Really? Most of the Teabaggers I’ve seen in pictures look like toothless crackers. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/163 "2011-10-12T21:52:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Actually, no. I’m going by the way they speak, as well as what they say. I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily more intelligent, but they clearly appear to be better educated. What channel is this? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/164 "2011-10-12T21:54:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Protip: Not everyone sees that wide-eyed dipshit in the mirror. That’s just you. 😃 Sad. Seriously. You must do better. Or should I hold a telethon for you lame ass. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/165 "2011-10-12T21:56:48Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > What channel is this? I don’t watch one particular channel. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/166 "2011-10-12T21:57:04Z")
I notice you’re not educated enough to spot the flaws in the video that was posted… the last leg of the trip being based on speculation, and besides that, most of Obama’s debt obligations were inherited from the wars and financial mess his predecessor left behind. I do like the way he tries to say “WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS” after the Reagan and Bush years, as if the debt had nothing to do with Bush’s wars; presumably it was all those immunization and school lunches. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/167 "2011-10-12T22:00:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Really? Most of the Teabaggers I’ve seen in pictures look like toothless crackers. The picture in my mind is more of middle America. The people you’d see at a PTA meeting. As for as the black Tea Partiers, I think it wold be hard to argue that they are not, on average, more educated than blacks generally. Would you agree with that. I mean while there are, and I’ve seen, ignorant, uneducated Tea Partiers, I can’t recall seeing one that was black. (Ignorant and uneducated, that is.) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/168 "2011-10-12T22:06:29Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > I notice you’re not educated enough to spot the flaws in the video that was posted… the last leg of the trip being based on speculation, and besides that, most of Obama’s debt obligations were inherited from the wars and financial mess his predecessor left behind. I do like the way he tries to say “WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS” after the Reagan and Bush years, as if the debt had nothing to do with Bush’s wars; presumably it was all those immunization and school lunches. Stop your whining, wouldya. Bush took office just after the dot-com bubble burst. Things were horrible. Enron, Worldcom, and a bunch of companies had valuations go to zero. And those were the types of stocks held by many pension funds. Newsflash: every President inherits stuff. Even some bad stuff. But Obama wanted the job. Thought he was man enough for it. He duped you. Suck it up. As far as the film, what you’re proven here is that the old adage: “you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make him drink it” refers just as well to asses and information. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/169 "2011-10-12T22:27:47Z")
So you admit Obama inherited the financial crisis and the wars, but you still find the video that faults him for the debt to be illuminating somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/170 "2011-10-12T23:48:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Stop your whining, wouldya. Bush took office just after the dot-com bubble burst. Things were horrible. Enron, Worldcom, and a bunch of companies had valuations go to zero. And those were the types of stocks held by many pension funds. Newsflash: every President inherits stuff. Even some bad stuff. But Obama wanted the job. Thought he was man enough for it. He duped you. Suck it up. As far as the film, what you’re proven here is that the old adage: “you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make him drink it” refers just as well to asses and information. You really have no idea what’s going on. There is a complex web of deceit that you think is the world, but it’s only a lacing of the lies your right-wing hate-radio and FOX News have woven together for you. Obama has increased the deficit far, far less than Bush has. The drivers for the deficit now are: The wars. They cost money and this needs to be spent. The recession. A country earns less money through taxes in a recession. Look it up. The recession. A country must spend more money during a recession, like unemployment insurance. The Bush Tax Cuts. Which Obama wanted to repeal (partially) but the Republican congress held that treaty with Russia and unemployment insurance hostage. And all the stuff that cost money before. If you think Obama is driving up the deficit anywhere near as much as Bush… or that it has anything to do with his policies, you’re a fucking idiot. But we already knew that, didn’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/171 "2011-10-13T00:06:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > By cutting taxes? Explain. Frankly, Obamacare is the biggest offender, but there are others. I trust I don’t need to detail your boy’s extensive commitments wrt the budget, it’s covered ground. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/172 "2011-10-13T00:07:31Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Better educated != smarter. I can’t find the part in the story where they say what they mean by “better educated,” but I imagine it means a lot of them got Bachelors degrees in something that has nothing to do with history or political science a long time ago. It certainly doesn’t translate into better informed. Rather than poll their opinions and demographics, I’d like to see them post actual quiz results about basic information related to their opinions – like the growth of debt under Obama vs. the last adminsitration, when the bailouts occurred, the content of the healthcare bill, the text of the constitution, the way the US spends its money, and the meaning of their favorite swear word: “Socialism!” I was using fact and data, the emotionbot I was talking to was using… um… liberal wives tales? Certainly no facts. And my cite was from a lib-friendly source. Edit to add: i see the bot was you. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/173 "2011-10-13T00:09:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > :rolleyes: You and that guy in your mirror and both jackasses. Here’s a test: why do you think I used the phrase “appear to be”, as opposed to “are”? > > Oh look, lucky you! You get shown to be a blind partisan with poor reading skills and get lessons on the English language and communication FOR FREE! Dude, don’t argue with the kid. Even most of the uber lefties on this board hate him, tell him to go back to his fanboi sites. I just ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/174 "2011-10-13T00:10:26Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > I notice you’re not educated enough to spot the flaws in the video that was posted… the last leg of the trip being based on speculation, and besides that, most of Obama’s debt obligations were inherited from the wars and financial mess his predecessor left behind. I do like the way he tries to say “WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS” after the Reagan and Bush years, as if the debt had nothing to do with Bush’s wars; presumably it was all those immunization and school lunches. It was based on his budget that Obama submitted. If he gets his way with spending. As scored by CBO. But then again, they’re a bunch of toothless rightwingers. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/175 "2011-10-13T00:11:53Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Dude, don’t argue with the kid. Even most of the uber lefties on this board hate him, tell him to go back to his fanboi sites. I just ignore him. You ignore me because you are unable to effectively argue. You can state shit, no problem, but when it’s shown to you that it isn’t true, you ignore. I understand why someone would do that. I don’t understand why you think it works. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/176 "2011-10-13T00:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=tnetennba] typical lefty talking points. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I missed the edit window: the point is, I used metrics. You spouted off [del] liberal [/del] progressive bullshit talking points. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/177 "2011-10-13T00:19:28Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Frankly, Obamacare is the biggest offender… Obamacare hasn’t even kicked in, so any claim about “driving off the cliff” is pure partisan speculation at this point. I think it will reduce medical costs and health insurance premiums, leading to unparalleled growth; but, like your doomsaying, we shall have to wait to see who is right. Fortunately, SCOTUS will uphold the law, Republicans will strike out in 2012 and Obamacare will become the law of the land. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/178 "2011-10-13T00:28:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Obamacare hasn’t even kicked in, so any claim about “driving off the cliff” is pure partisan speculation at this point. I think it will reduce medical costs and health insurance premiums, leading to unparalleled growth; but, like your doomsaying, we shall have to wait to see who is right. Fortunately, SCOTUS will uphold the law, Republicans will strike out in 2012 and Obamacare will become the law of the land. 😃 The CBO says the Affordable Care Act will save us 125 billion in the first ten years and perhaps as much as 1.2 trillion over the next (which is based on assumptions, but we don’t have crystal balls). Smashy thinks it will drive up the deficit because he’s gullible and listens without question to the nonsense his masters on the right chant at him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/179 "2011-10-13T00:42:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Obamacare hasn’t even kicked in, so any claim about “driving off the cliff” is pure partisan speculation at this point. I think it will reduce medical costs and health insurance premiums, leading to unparalleled growth; but, like your doomsaying, we shall have to wait to see who is right. Fortunately, SCOTUS will uphold the law, Republicans will strike out in 2012 and Obamacare will become the law of the land. 😃 His budget is not ‘speculation’… it’s the non-partisan estimate of what we’ll get if we keep up Obama’s nonsense. You _must_ understand this, don’t you? The cost is a trillion dollars over 10, and that’s after a lot of gimmicks (especially not counting the first 4 years and assuming Medicare chops that nobody who has a brain believes will happen). Will SCOTUS uphold this unconstitutional mockery? I doubt it, but you’re right, we’ll see. And America, who’s [still against this bad boy](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law), will likely send another message next year at the ballot box. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035/180 "2011-10-13T00:45:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Smashy](#): > > Will SCOTUS uphold this unconstitutional mockery? Bricker is smarter than you, more conservative than you and more knowledgeable than you about this subject. And he thinks it’s constitutional. Why do you assume that in your ignorance you know better than he does? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/99-rookies-i-say-100/599035.md?page=10)