# A 17 day vacation? Are you shitting me? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787 "2017-08-04T17:14:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/41 "2017-08-04T19:24:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Can you please point me to all your posts where you ridiculed Trump for repeatedly harping on Obama taking too many vacations? My search engine can’t seem to find them. Here is the tally. Not unreasonable at all. [http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article123335079.html](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article123335079.html) ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/42 "2017-08-04T19:25:56Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Unless we are being trolled, [this is the Newsweek cover](http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/2017/08/newsweek_trump_august_2017_cover.jpg) for the next issue. Seems appropriate for this topic. It’s real. It’s on Newsweek’s [Facebook page](https://m.facebook.com/pg/Newsweek/posts/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=1). ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/43 "2017-08-04T19:32:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’m starting to think I’ve been a fucking dupe for years. A sucker. An idiot. Yeah, but look on the bright side, it could have been worse. You could have been gullible enough to join the military. Some of those guys actually get shot, and for what, loving their country? No, you want to start thinking like the millionaires that Republicans are always trying to cater to. We daren’t ask them to give up anything; they’d be off to another country if it saved them a few percent on their taxes. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/44 "2017-08-04T19:37:41Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Are you as dense as Donald Trump? > > Because I have written several times that I don’t begrudge ANYONE taking vacations. Scroll through this thread. What I’ve said REPEATEDLY, and somehow you have missed, is that we have someone **who takes a very, very large amount of leisure time during the workweek, and the weekends, and also is taking a long vacation.** It isn’t one issue, it is three altogether. > > Fuck, I don’t know how people can be so stupid as to only be able to read the word “vacation” in every one of my posts. Are my posts so hard to read that it is like listening to Charlie Brown’s teacher? “wah wah wah wah VACATION wah wah wah – OH YEAH OBAMA DID IT TOO!!!” There’s also the lost “productivity” (might be a good thing) involved with traveling. Just a two day weekend will involve travel preparations on Friday, the reverse on Monday, whatever is done on AF1/Marine1 in between trips. When he’s at one of his golf clubs, the WH tries to hide his golfing as much as possible. Is the Secret Service being charged for their rooms at his golf clubs? [The Defense Department operates 234 golf courses](https://mic.com/articles/21194/defense-department-operates-234-golf-courses-in-the-world-draining-millions-from-the-u-s-budget), 3 at Andrews AFB, just a Marine One flight away. Why does Trump need to go to one of his courses every weekend? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/45 "2017-08-04T19:54:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > What the hell am I doing wrong in my life that I can’t play golf constantly, watch TV constantly, and take two and a half weeks off? Please, Dope, tell me. When I was in corporate America, working at a Fortune 100 company, I got 4 weeks of vacation (everyone employed for 10+ years got 4 weeks). You don’t get even 2 1/2 weeks? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/46 "2017-08-04T19:59:48Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The military would step in before that happened. They’ve already got one foot in the door with Kelly where he is. > > Anyway, I don’t want the state to crash, that could get ugly. A political revolution at this time would be dominated by bad thinking. We just had a political revolution back in November. That’s what voting is, we have a revolution every couple of years. It works much better than having to have a civil war. That way, we don’t have to have the military have a coup and take over, as you would like to see happen. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/47 "2017-08-04T20:00:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There’s also the lost “productivity” (might be a good thing) involved with traveling. Just a two day weekend will involve travel preparations on Friday, the reverse on Monday, whatever is done on AF1/Marine1 in between trips. > When he’s at one of his golf clubs, the WH tries to hide his golfing as much as possible. > Is the Secret Service being charged for their rooms at his golf clubs? > > [The Defense Department operates 234 golf courses](https://mic.com/articles/21194/defense-department-operates-234-golf-courses-in-the-world-draining-millions-from-the-u-s-budget), 3 at Andrews AFB, just a Marine One flight away. > Why does Trump need to go to one of his courses every weekend? To meet with his russian handlers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/48 "2017-08-04T20:05:26Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Would you rather him take a more active role in ruining everyone’s life? I wish he would take a 1000 day vacation. I have to agree. Let him golf all day every day. But for all that is holy, take his Interwebs away from him! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/49 "2017-08-04T20:07:18Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > I don’t care that he’s taking a long vacation. But since he’s going to one of his own golf clubs for this vacation, I wonder how much taxpayers’ money will flow into the golf club. Presumably some of the staff will be paying to stay at the club? Millions. The Secret Service has to pay rent and rent golf carts. I’m pretty sure THEIR rates were inflated. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/50 "2017-08-04T20:27:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [The Defense Department operates 234 golf courses](https://mic.com/articles/21194/defense-department-operates-234-golf-courses-in-the-world-draining-millions-from-the-u-s-budget), 3 at Andrews AFB, just a Marine One flight away. > Why does Trump need to go to one of his courses every weekend? I’m not a golfer, but a good friend is. He’s quite disdainful of how Loser Don drives his golf cart onto the greens. Apparently, this just isn’t done. I suspect that if he golfed somewhere else they might question him driving on the greens. Even if it is a DOD course and he’s CiC. After my friend said that about Loser Don’s golf cart issues, I wondered if the WH physician didn’t suggest that he play fewer holes but walk between holes. Even with a caddy carrying his clubs, it would be better exercise for someone who clearly needs it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/51 "2017-08-04T20:42:03Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I’m not a golfer, but a good friend is. He’s quite disdainful of how Loser Don drives his golf cart onto the greens. Apparently, this just isn’t done. > > I suspect that if he golfed somewhere else they might question him driving on the greens. Even if it is a DOD course and he’s CiC. > > After my friend said that about Loser Don’s golf cart issues, I wondered if the WH physician didn’t suggest that he play fewer holes but walk between holes. Even with a caddy carrying his clubs, it would be better exercise for someone who clearly needs it. He cheats too. > **[Does Donald Trump cheat at golf? A Washington Post investigation.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/does-donald-trump-cheat-at-golf-a-washington-post-investigation/2015/09/02/f8a940b2-50c4-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html?utm_term=.fc332b1247f7)** > > The mogul’s willingness to bend the rules of electoral politics may apply to his philosophy of the links as well. > [@](#): > > “Who the hell’s ball is this?” he said. > > “That’s me,” the real estate mogul said, according to Mulvoy. > > “Donald, give me a f—ing break,” Mulvoy recalls telling him. “You’ve been hacking away in the . . . weeds all day. You do not lie there.” > > “Ahh, the guys I play with cheat all the time,” he recalls Trump replying. “I have to cheat just to keep up with them… > “The worst celebrity golf cheat?” the rock star Alice Cooper said in a 2012 interview with Q magazine. “I wish I could tell you that. It would be a shocker. I played with Donald Trump one time. That’s all I’m going to say.” ” [http://www.golfchannel.com/news/grill-room/de-la-hoya-heres-how-trump-cheats-golf/](http://www.golfchannel.com/news/grill-room/de-la-hoya-heres-how-trump-cheats-golf/) > [@](#): > > “First ball, [Trump] hits off to the water, gets another ball from his pocket. Hits it off to the left, out of bounds,” De La Hoya said. > > Trump said, “Oh, I got another one, just warming up,” De La Hoya recounted. > > “Another one to the water. Then the fourth ball he hits - I know it went to the bushes. But Donald, what he does, he tees off first so he can take off right away. I pipe mine down the middle. So we go off to our ball, and who do we see? Donald Trump, right in the middle of the fairway,” De La Hoya said. > > He quoted Trump saying, “By the way, I found my first ball, it’s right here.” > > “We’re like, ‘OK, yeah,’ we’re cracking up, not in front of his face,” De La Hoya said. “Then we go on to a par-3, 170 [yards]. There’s a big bush right between the tee and the green, so you can’t really see the green - you can see the flag, not the green. [Trump] hits and we just know it went out of bounds. We know it. He takes off. > > “We get up there [to the green] and he’s like, ‘Oh, my ball’s right here!’ Three feet away. ‘And by the way, I’m going to pick it up, it’s a gimme,’” De La Hoya said. > > “You don’t do that in golf,” De La Hoya said, adding there were no side games in play where money was exchanged. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/52 "2017-08-04T20:49:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > To meet with his russian handlers. To meet with his russian hamsters. They who control his every move. FTFY ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/53 "2017-08-04T20:54:10Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He cheats too. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/does-donald-trump-cheat-at-golf-a-washington-post-investigation/2015/09/02/f8a940b2-50c4-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8\_story.html?utm\_term=.fc332b1247f7](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/does-donald-trump-cheat-at-golf-a-washington-post-investigation/2015/09/02/f8a940b2-50c4-11e5-9812-92d5948a40f8_story.html?utm_term=.fc332b1247f7) > > [http://www.golfchannel.com/news/grill-room/de-la-hoya-heres-how-trump-cheats-golf/](http://www.golfchannel.com/news/grill-room/de-la-hoya-heres-how-trump-cheats-golf/) To be fair, golf is a much more dangerous game for a guy that can’t tell his own ass from a hole in the ground. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/54 "2017-08-04T20:57:36Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I’m not a golfer, but a good friend is. He’s quite disdainful of how Loser Don drives his golf cart onto the greens. Apparently, this just isn’t done. Because you are putting on the greens, they are ideally a smooth surface-- almost like a pool table. That is why you are supposed to repair your divots and not bang up the greens. Driving a golf cart on the greens is more than just “not done”. It’s like what you’d have the crazy doofus in a movie do. It ruins the course. There are some crazy etiquette rules in golf, and of course pro golfers don’t use carts anyway, but when everyday golfers are out on the course, you shouldn’t be doing things that ruin the course for other players. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/55 "2017-08-04T21:00:10Z")
None of you have hit on the real reason to be upset, as far as I can tell. It’s that the job is in such a mess that the president has a ton of work to do. And, instead, he’s constantly taking these vacations and stuff. And now, after all those vacations, he’s taking another one. Of course, this is Trump, so him leaving is actually good for the country, as the sane people can hopefully do things while he’s gone. I want Trump on permanent vacation. Not gonna turn anarchist like **WillFarnaby** , though. Even libertarians don’t say that we can get by without the government. It’s weird that libertarians want to out do each other until they get to anarchy, yet are pretty much on the opposite side of the isle. Seriously, dude. You posted an anarchist screed. Welcome to the left. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/56 "2017-08-04T21:33:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > None of you have hit on the real reason to be upset, as far as I can tell. We’ve been waiting for someone to pop in and enlighten us. > [@](#): > > It’s that the job is in such a mess that the president has a ton of work to do. And, instead, he’s constantly taking these vacations and stuff. And now, after all those vacations, he’s taking another one. Genius! Someone should start a thread about how bad Trump is at presidenting. Who knew??? ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/57 "2017-08-04T22:08:52Z")
However, it is a very important and wearing job. I can’t see his working hard and playing hard is a problem, and nearly all presidents play golf a lot for some reason. Hillary might have been an exception had she not lost, but Bill used to play with Donald. Every day he wakes up and realises he can do wonderful things to improve the lives of millions and millions of Americans. That’s got to be a strain. And, to be fair, 17 days is not a lot of vacation in Europe, Austria say has 22 paid vacation days plus 13 paid holidays a year. Americans have chosen a different path and therefore have the highest living standards in return. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/58 "2017-08-04T22:17:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > We’ve been waiting for someone to pop in and enlighten us. > > Genius! Someone should start a thread about how bad Trump is at presidenting. Who knew??? Who knew presidenting was so complicated? 😃 Ever have _That Guy_ at a job? _That Guy_ is the one who is so bad that everything runs much better when he is NOT there? When he quits, retires or is fired, things suddenly and drastically improve? Dump is _That Guy_. Bigly. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/59 "2017-08-04T22:32:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Who knew presidenting was so complicated? 😃 I think I’ve posted those exact words several times in the last few months. > [@](#): > > Ever have _That Guy_ at a job? _That Guy_ is the one who is so bad that everything runs much better when he is NOT there? When he quits, retires or is fired, things suddenly and drastically improve? Dump is _That Guy_. Bigly. Yes. I did everyone a favor and quit. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787/60 "2017-08-04T23:05:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think I’ve posted those exact words several times in the last few months. Yes you did. It was a direct quote 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-17-day-vacation-are-you-shitting-me/792787.md?page=4)