# a baseball thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 5, 2000, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831 "2000-10-05T19:15:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JosephFinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@JosephFinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JosephFinn)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/41 "2000-10-10T02:04:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by shimmery \* > \*\*Yankees or Mets? Personally I am a Yankees fan but my stepmom and my 3 brothers all like the Mets. It’s terrible, they wear Mets jerseys around the house and they make me watch Mets games and everything! On a related note what about the Yankees doing so horribly lately? (At least they won last night!) And even if you’re not from Yankee/Met country if you like baseball who would you like to see a world series between? \*\* What kind of a choice is this? Personally, I’m rooting for a St. Louis-Seattle World Series. ---
**Author:** ![Eo\_Echo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ebca7d/32.png) [@Eo\_Echo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eo_Echo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/42 "2000-10-10T06:01:11Z")
All I can say is, I’ll be living in my Mariners cap for the near future. ---
**Author:** ![Scotticher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Scotticher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scotticher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/43 "2000-10-10T06:24:27Z")
My thoughts exactly, **JB!** Scotti ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/44 "2000-10-10T08:18:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JosephFinn \* > > What kind of a choice is this? Personally, I’m rooting for a St. Louis-Seattle World Series. \*\* I’m praying for it. I just want see someone different in there. I can’t really explain why. ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/45 "2000-10-10T10:10:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by JosephFinn \* > > > > What kind of a choice is this? Personally, I’m rooting for a St. Louis-Seattle World Series. \*\* > > I’m praying for it. I just want see someone different in there. I can’t really explain why. \*\* **Ditto baby !!** ---
**Author:** ![Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/46 "2000-10-10T13:12:48Z")
To all those who are sick of the Yankees: Wouldn’t it be more fun to see the Cardinals or the Mets take the championship away from the Yankees in the World Series, instead of playing the Mariners? ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/47 "2000-10-10T15:43:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > > Q. What’s the definition of a moral dilemma? > A. The Red Sox playing against the Cubs in the World Series. \*\* That’s not a amoral dilemma. That’s a no-win situation. ---
**Author:** ![meek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@meek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meek)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/48 "2000-10-10T21:52:50Z")
Prediction Time: If the Cards hope to advance, they have to learn how to hit left handed pitching, and quickly. Mets in 6. I wonder how much all that travel through all those time zones will affect the winner of the ALCS. Yanks in 7. Go METS! (First Wild Card World Series Champion??) ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/49 "2000-10-10T22:26:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by smug \* > \*\*Prediction Time: > > If the Cards hope to advance, they have to learn how to hit left handed pitching, and quickly. Mets in 6. > > I wonder how much all that travel through all those time zones will affect the winner of the ALCS. Yanks in 7. > > Go METS! (First Wild Card World Series Champion??) \*\* Umm… Florida Marlins, 1997. Remember them, Geez, you New York fans think that the whole world revolves around you. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2000, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/50 "2000-10-10T22:30:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobT \* > \*\* > Geez, you New York fans think that the whole world revolves around you. \*\* No, we _ARE_ the whole world. 🙂 :: ducks for cover :: Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/51 "2000-10-11T00:13:41Z")
May all of you New Yorkers be forced to spend a significant portion of your lives in St. Louis. That will be your karmic payback. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/52 "2000-10-11T03:48:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobT \* > \*\*May all of you New Yorkers be forced to spend a significant portion of your lives in St. Louis. > > That will be your karmic payback. \*\* Does that count as Purgatory? ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/53 "2000-10-11T05:26:40Z")
**BobT** wrote: **"May all of you New Yorkers be forced to spend a significant portion of your lives in St. Louis."** Hey, **Bob,** no sweat. I was born and raised in NYC and I’ve lived here all my life. As improbable as it sounds, I’ve been a L.A./St. Louis Rams fan for thirty years, even during the seemingly endless “doormat era.” But now my ship has finally come in and the St. Louis Rams are the top powerhouse team in the NFL. Send me to to the Gateway City. I won’t mind at all – as long as it’s in a seat on the fifty-yard line! ---
**Author:** ![DRY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@DRY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DRY)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/54 "2000-10-11T07:40:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stuyguy \* > **As improbable as it sounds, I’ve been a L.A./St. Louis Rams fan for thirty years, even during the seemingly endless "doormat era"** How long was this doormat era? I’ve been a Rams fan for around that long myself, and while they haven’t been great since…well…ever in my life (until last year when they’re no longer in LA [insert long rant re LA not having an NFL football team here]), they were usually pretty decent: When I grew up, they were the one strong team in the NFC West (before the Niners got good) and would usually win the division, then lose to Dallas or Minnesota in the playoffs. I learned to hate when they’d have to go to Minnesota and their offense would just DIE in the cold. It’s true that they weren’t much of a playoff presence…well, since the 49ers got good (specifically, they didn’t do jack since the “phantom Everett sack”), but they were rarely TERRIBLE, just mediocre. And they have a fairly long history of being a “contenda”, albeit one that would go one and out or two and out in the playoffs. Hey, it beats being a Saints fan. Or a Lions fan (of which I was, and still am, one). Or really a lot of other teams (Bucs until recently, Chiefs, the team formerly known as the Houston Oilers, etc). ---
**Author:** ![Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/55 "2000-10-11T15:37:57Z")
Getting back to baseball, here’s an article on something that’s been touched on in this and other threads - Clemens and choking: [http://slate.msn.com/tagteam/entries/00-10-10\_91141.asp](http://slate.msn.com/tagteam/entries/00-10-10_91141.asp) ---
**Author:** ![stuyguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@stuyguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stuyguy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/56 "2000-10-11T16:45:36Z")
Hey, sorry about the hijack, but hey… **DRY** : Yes, yes, yes! Sounds like we became Ram fans about the same time. I got there when I was about 10 years old – the late 60’s. What made it doubly hard was that, in that era of sports=local teams, I was lucky to get the _boxscores_ from out-of-town teams, much less the play-by-play. (As a little kid I desparately wanted a Rams poster, and finding a store that carried more than just Jets/Giants crap was like looking for bacon shop in Mecca.) Roman Gabrielle was QB and George Allen was coach then. And yes, I remember that LA was a surefire division clincher in those years, only to falter in the Minnesota chill like Napolean’s troops at the gates of Moscow. Joe Capp…grrr! Then there were a whole bunch of inconsistent/middling years capped with that nice (but losing) Superbowl appearance. The “doormat era,” as I’ve called it, pretty much coincided with the rise of the Niners. (“Joe who? You mean John Brodie isn’t their QB anymore?” I’d lament.) As you no doubt know, they were the “losingest team of the decade,” coming into the 1999 season. Ahh, the ramdom names I remember from the past like ghosts that haunt my memories: Tommy Prothro, John Capeletti, Eric Dickerson, the Youngblood brothers, Dieter Brock, John Hadl, Harold Jackson, Ray Malavasi, Ron Jaworski, and on and on. Oh, and of course, Joe Namath! Remember **that?** ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/57 "2000-10-11T17:56:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stuyguy \* > \*\ ***BobT** wrote: > > **"May all of you New Yorkers be forced to spend a significant portion of your lives in St. Louis."** > > Hey, **Bob,** no sweat. > > I was born and raised in NYC and I’ve lived here all my life. As improbable as it sounds, I’ve been a L.A./St. Louis Rams fan for thirty years, even during the seemingly endless “doormat era.” But now my ship has finally come in and the St. Louis Rams are the top powerhouse team in the NFL. > > Send me to to the Gateway City. I won’t mind at all – as long as it’s in a seat on the fifty-yard line! \*\* Speaking as someone whose family is from the Gateway City and still has family in the Gateway City, I’m pretty sure that I would never be visiting that city again in my lifetime if my brother did not have an incredibly cute niece for me to visit and dote on. If anyone could stay a Rams fan during the last years of Anaheim (T.J. Rubley, Darryl Henley, Chris Miller, Gaston Green, et al.), then more power to you. ---
**Author:** ![Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2000, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/58 "2000-10-11T20:23:34Z")
Top of the first. Hernandez just struck out the side! ---
**Author:** ![Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soup)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2000, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/59 "2000-10-12T00:25:21Z")
Orlando Hernandez = clutch ---
**Author:** ![DRY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@DRY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DRY)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2000, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831/60 "2000-10-12T05:06:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stuyguy \* > \*\*Roman Gabrielle was QB and George Allen was coach then. And yes, I remember that LA was a surefire division clincher in those years, only to falter in the Minnesota chill like Napolean’s troops at the gates of Moscow. Joe Capp…grrr! \*\* I know. Remember that field goal that was attempted on 4th and goal from the 2 yard line (or was it closer than that?) which got blocked and returned for a touchdown? \*\* > [@](#): > > Then there were a whole bunch of inconsistent/middling years capped with that nice (but losing) Superbowl appearance. > \*\* Yep. Frickin’ Swann and Stallworth. \*\* > [@](#): > > Ahh, the ramdom names I remember from the past like ghosts that haunt my memories: Tommy Prothro, John Capeletti, Eric Dickerson, the Youngblood brothers, Dieter Brock, John Hadl, Harold Jackson, Ray Malavasi, Ron Jaworski, and on and on. Oh, and of course, Joe Namath! Remember **that?** \*\* Prothro–barely remember him (and actually, I remember Allen more as Redskins coach) Capelletti–Good running back. Didn’t he win the Heisman? Dickerson–Stud, but boy he faded quickly after we traded him. Youngblood brothers–always solid Brock–I actually thought he got unfairly scapegoated, as did Malavasi Harold Jackson–stud receiver, though I recall him when he was past his prime Hadl–Good, but I remember him more as a Charger, just like I remember Jaworski more as an Eagle. Namath— :rolleyes: What a sad way to end a career. Just like OJ ending his football days as a 49er. [QUOTE] \*Originally posted by BobT \* \*\* > [@](#): > > If anyone could stay a Rams fan during the last years of Anaheim (T.J. Rubley, Darryl Henley, Chris Miller, Gaston Green, et al.), then more power to you. \*\* Rubley–ARRGH! Henley–well…some things are better left unsaid Miller–I actually he had pretty good potential, till all the injuries. Same with Gaston Green, but I was probably biased by his doing pretty well at UCLA. Back to baseball: I really have to feel for John Halama, who pitched a solid game for the Mariners (I’ll be Houston would like to have him and Freddy Garcia back, huh?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-baseball-thread/35831.md?page=4)