# A big eye roll for the New York Times **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470 "2005-08-31T19:25:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![lorinada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5e925/32.png) [@lorinada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorinada)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/21 "2005-08-31T22:56:31Z")
> [@Necros](#): > > aside from maybe sitting down with FEMA officials as opposed to having a conference call with them Actually, Louisiana is covered by the Denton, TX FEMA office, which is a few hundred miles north of Crawford. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/22 "2005-09-01T00:17:38Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > This is good too:“People who think of that graceful city and the rest of the Mississippi Delta as tourist destinations must have been reminded, watching the rescue operations, that the real residents of this area are in the main poor and black. The only resources most of them will have to fall back on will need to come from the federal government.” Like the predicted NY Times headline for Armageddon: World Ends! Women, minorities hit hardest Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/23 "2005-09-01T02:28:06Z")
The President’s job in moments like this very much like the father’s job in the delivery room. Sure, he can’t really _do_ anything to bring the baby into the world any faster - but his presence and reassurance mean a great deal. And the importance of being a strong, calming presence shouldn’t be demeaned or written off. Mayor Giuliani didn’t rush up the steps of the Trade Center on 9/11 - when you stop to think about it, he didn’t really do anything on that day. Except to step up and communicate what was know to the rest of the world. Bush might have been that person - but he was hiding at the time. The end result was Giuliani hailed as a great mayor and leader. Churchill didn’t run around defusing unexploded bombs during WWI,I either. But you don’t hear anyone now claiming was that all he did was blab some crap on the radio to his country men, he inspired his country in a very real way. When it comes right down to it, presidents never get down and dirty in the trenches - but they should be able to give a voice to the people by telling others what’s going on and then letting us know if and when and how much we should worry. The vast majority of presidents and other leaders (see Haig, Al) attempt to do this in these types of circumstances to varying effect. What I find most dissappointing about W is that he doesn’t even take a stab at it. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/24 "2005-09-01T02:48:52Z")
Oh the whining bitches. When will you learn whether your a Democrat or a Republican President they are still a piece of shit? But blaming Bush for anything related to not jumping into “action” is not just silly, its spews of a one track mind. Some people must wake up every morning and think _must find something to blame on Bush today, must find something to blame on Bush today, must find something to blame on Bush today._ What a crock of shit. If I was on the rail between voting for a Republican or a Democrat that shit would push me to the Republican is that what your goals are? Push the independent thinkers into the camp you despise more then getting your scrotum tore off? Because he didn’t drop what he was doing, and come running to stick his finger in a leaky fucking levee. I don’t need a puppet leader, that sits in Washington making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I want my leader to get things done, I don’t care if he is getting blow jobs, or fucking stringing a guitar, as long as what needs to get done, does get done. Now if it was President Superman and his ass didn’t come flying blowing the hurricane back to the ocean, I would be pissed. But a current President can authorize, and implement anything that needs to get done no matter where he is in the world. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/25 "2005-09-01T03:00:18Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Some people must wake up every morning and think _must find something to blame on Bush today, must find something to blame on Bush today, must find something to blame on Bush today._ What a crock of shit. If I was on the rail between voting for a Republican or a Democrat that shit would push me to the Republican is that what your goals are? So, people not running for elected office and with zero influence on policy will dictate your vote. Rather than look at what actual candidates would do, you’d vote out of ignorance and spite because some of one candidate’s supporters said some nasty stuff? If that’s the truth, you’re both a failure as an American citizen and a political being. I hope you were just kidding. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Push the independent thinkers into the camp you despise more then getting your scrotum tore off? Any “independent thinker” who can’t think for himself and instead whines like a petulant two year old and votes for someone who he doesn’t support because someone not running for office said something mean… well, let’s just say he’s not all the independent nor all that much of a thinker, for that matter. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Because he didn’t drop what he was doing, and come running to stick his finger in a leaky fucking levee. I don’t need a puppet leader, that sits in Washington making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Making a public appearance, rallying people, providing a message of hope and national unity, those are all presidential duties. Not clearing brush, eating cake, and strumming a geetar. Besides, you obviously do want someone who’ll make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, because if someone’s supporters hate their opponent, why, by gum, you’ll shit on your responsibility as a citizen and throw a temper tantrum at the ballot box. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > I want my leader to get things done, I don’t care if he is getting blow jobs, or fucking stringing a guitar, as long as what needs to get done, does get done. How many phone calls was he making while strumming on that guitar? How many radio addresses? The position of president is, among other things, one of pomp and circumstance. It sends a definite message when, in times of crisis, the president is on fucking vacation. Think of morale at a company where the CEO is never in the office, but he can take cell phone calls while he’s playing golf. I mean, this is the digital age, he can tellecommute, right? How about if his company is hemoraging money and all he says is “stay the course”, over a cell phone, while people lose their jobs and the company goes further into the red? How about if the company building is on fire but the CEO is off at a drum circle? Still think he should be playing golf and taking those cell phone calls between swings? ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/26 "2005-09-01T03:37:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Like the predicted NY Times headline for Armageddon: > > World Ends! > > Women, minorities hit hardest > > Regards, > Shodan Wait - I’m confused. Are you denying that New Orleans, and the Mississippi delta counties are heavily black? According to [this](http://neworleans.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm), New Orleans is _67.5 percent_ black. The minority population is a whopping 72%. Are you further denying that the people least able to evacuate the city (and hence the ones, in my opinion, who were clearly hit the hardest) are the poor? And that further there is a strong positive correlation between being poor and being a minority? So what, exactly, did the Times do wrong by reminding its readers of the folks hit hardest by the hurricane? In fact, this runs nicely counter to Jack Shafer’s [criticism](http://www.slate.com/id/2124688/) that the media is, for the most part, ignoring the fact that the victims of Katrina are disproportionately minorities and the poor. Take a shot at the Times for the Bush jab, if you will. But there is no reason to get snippy about their simply calling your attention to the truth. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/27 "2005-09-01T03:54:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > So, people not running for elected office and with zero influence on policy will dictate \ As talking any sense into you is about as easy as walking on water, I cannot reply in such a way as to make you see clearly through those “Bush Sucks” tinted glasses. If you need someone to fucking tell you it will all be okay during a crisis, your a pathetic tool. Myself, I would prefer things getting done. [sub] You mean it took him all of 1 minute to declare a State of Emergency, that son of a bitch [/sub] Oh fuck you mean he did it before the storm hit, that ignorant bastard not wasting time. The thing is Bush can do no right with you and others . Breaking News: Moon Sized Asteroid Headed Toward Earth 5 Days Till Killer Impact! That day in the pit. > [@SomeDumbPoliticalLeaningSoFarAsToBeBlindStupidFuckingBastard](#): > > If Clinton was still President or them fucking losers didn’t steal the 2000 election, and cause global warming and Hurricane Katrina, that asteroid would not be coming here. Its all because Bush went to war in Iraq and cut the budget on flying super doober futuristic stopping the asteroid space thingies that we are in this situation. Fucking Bush. Such as it is, when you pick a fucking side and twist anything to suit your needs. No matter your fucking party, everyone is equally fucked up. The sooner you realize it the sooner we can change America to “For the people, by the people” “Not for my parties agenda, fuck the people” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/28 "2005-09-01T04:01:12Z")
The technical term is “apophasis,” but I don’t think the NYT is doing it. I think their passing mention is because people are expecting them to do it, and they’re explaining that they won’t. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/29 "2005-09-01T04:51:46Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > The technical term is “apophasis,” but I don’t think the NYT is doing it. I think their passing mention is because people are expecting them to do it, and they’re explaining that they won’t. Nope, it’s paralipsis, 'least I think. Apophasis would involve listing a bunch of reasons and shooting down all but one of them. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > As talking any sense into you is about as easy as walking on water, Mmmmm hmmmm. You’re the unamerican (and yes, I use the word with full knowledge) slacker who’d throw away his own voice in the government because some _yahoos_ not even associated with a president’s campaign said some mean stuff. In other words, you’re a moron and a bratty child willing to shit on his responsibilities without a single pang of remorse. Good job! > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > I cannot reply in such a way as to make you see clearly through those “Bush Sucks” tinted glasses. Oooh! Nice job! I see your whole entire **month** of membership has given you time to read through every mention I’ve ever made of Bush, including the generally exhaustive fact finding I do. Glad you’ve reduced my ability to, ya know, actually stay informed about the world around me to tinted glasses. Schmuck. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > If you need someone to fucking tell you it will all be okay during a crisis, your a pathetic tool. Myself, I would prefer things getting done. Which person is a tool, the one who presents his argument clearly and without distortion and evasion… or the guy who can’t even grasp that nobody said they _needed_ any such thing, but that it was the job of a president to make symbolic gestures? See, the hallmark of someone who’s been soundly whipped in a debate and has nothing to stand on? They start throwing strawmen real quick, because only by inventing an argument to argue against do they stand a snowball’s chance in hell. Take your time with this whole ‘thinking’ thing, spunky, if you smell something burning that’ll pro’ly be your synapses. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > The thing is Bush can do no right with you and others . “What, you want the President to act like a Leader? Are you crazy? The President? Lead??? When there’s a national disaster and tragedy? LEAD??? Admit it, you just hate everything he ever does. Don’t you? Don’t you!?!” Mmmm hmmmm. Spot on spunky, spot on. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Such as it is, when you pick a fucking side and twist anything to suit your needs Good job spunky, you getting a bulk discount on straw? In case you’re wondering, I’m an _actual_ independent, unlike some petulant little shit who’ll throw away his vote if someone not running for office says something mean. Idiot. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > No matter your fucking party, everyone is equally fucked up. And none so much as the spoiled brats who will vote for someone who they don’t even support because some non-entity said something mean. Take pride in being a recalcitrant, small minded, vicious, petty, asshole. Pride. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > The sooner you realize it the sooner we can change America to “For the people, by the people” “Not for my parties agenda, fuck the people” First, schmuck, try _reading_. Start with cereal boxes, work your way up to laundry detergent, and then maybe in a decade or so you’ll be able to read those strange things we like to call “newspapers”. Yeah, I know, some day you’ll be a big boy! See, in case you’ve not been paying attention, the Bush Regime has a bloody history of placing not just ‘party before country’ but ‘cronies before party’. Spew all the rhetoric about ‘the people’ you want, but as you’re weilding it, the concept is a hobgoblin and no one party will **ever, ever, ever** represent ‘the people’, only those people who support them, and even then only to a certain degree. You want to cast yourself as some wise outsider, when in reality you’re just a spoiled whiney brat who’ll abandon all convictions if someone not even running for office says something mean. You should be ashamed of yourself, but something tells me you don’t have the integrity to do even that. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/30 "2005-09-01T05:08:00Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You want to cast yourself as some wise outsider, when in reality you’re just a spoiled whiney brat who’ll abandon all convictions if someone not even running for office says something mean. You should be ashamed of yourself, but something tells me you don’t have the integrity to do even that. You really You seem to enjoy beating around a non-issue don’t you? My oh my your a cunt. But your right I do throw away a vote for someone saying stupid shit. I cannot support someone that the fucking loons support, I would rather vote for the other person equally despicable just to piss off the loons. So that means even though I think HC is probably the best possible candidate to date, I will vote for Cheney is he runs just to watch you froth at the mouth and flap your arms like a two year old after being told no. Lets see bitch boy, I have been here for about a month, and I have owned up to being wrong a few times, I have changed my opinion on something after being shown I was wrong more then once. Because I can see the whole fucking picture not a fucking Left/Right paint by numbers picture. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/31 "2005-09-01T05:21:46Z")
> [@Abbie Normal](#): > > You seem to enjoy beating around a non-issue don’t you? Hmmm. No, the fact that you’re an unamerican petulant asshole is an issue, I’m afraid. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > My oh my your a cunt. My A cunt?!? Not my A cunt! Please oh please let it be my B cunt! > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > But your right I do throw away a vote for someone saying stupid shit. My right, eh? What is it, exactly, that’s makin’ me think you’re just a dumb high schooler with a big yap? > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > I cannot support someone that the fucking loons support, And that’s why you’re a moron. 🙂 It’s kind of like a reverse bandwagon fallacy. It’s still stupid, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Now write 1,000 times “I will not abandon my responsibility as a citizen just because I’m a whiney little brat.” > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > I would rather vote for the other person equally despicable just to piss off the loons. Oh boy! You’ll vote for someone who might not be qualified, who might not do as good a job, who might not even support your most cherished ideals, who might fuck the country over, who might fuck the entire world over, but, hey, at least you showed those loons, eh? Fucking petulant little shit. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > So that means even though I think HC is probably the best possible candidate to date, I will vote for Cheney is he runs just to watch you froth at the mouth and flap your arms like a two year old after being told no. :eek: You’re not even ashamed are you? Good gods… Men and women, good men and women, have fought and died and killed for the freedom and the citizenship you’re shitting all over. You’re disgusting. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Because I can see the whole fucking picture not a fucking Left/Right paint by numbers picture. Wow… you’re one shitty little janus faced asshole, aintcha? Let’s go to the instant replay! > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > Because I can see the whole fucking picture not a fucking Left/Right paint by numbers picture. > [@Abbie Normal](#): > > So that means even though I think HC is probably the best possible candidate to date, I will vote for Cheney is he runs just to watch you froth at the mouth and flap your arms like a two year old after being told no. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/32 "2005-09-01T11:34:43Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Nope, it’s paralipsis, 'least I think. Apophasis would involve listing a bunch of reasons and shooting down all but one of them. Well, let’s see… [http://www.bartleby.com/61/7/A0370700.html](http://www.bartleby.com/61/7/A0370700.html) [http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0001290.html](http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0001290.html) > **[Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos](https://www.yahoo.com/)** > > Latest news coverage, email, free stock quotes, live scores and video are just the beginning. Discover more every day at Yahoo! > **[apophasis - WordReference.com Dictionary of English](https://www.wordreference.com/definition/apophasis)** But the Mormons seem to disagree… [http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/A/apophasis.htm](http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/A/apophasis.htm) Neither Lanham’s “Handlist of Rhetorical Terms” or the OED has that definition, and I don’t find any other websites with that definition. I didn’t look that hard, though. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/33 "2005-09-01T12:55:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Leaders are supposed to provide leadership. To most of us, that’s obvious. To a reflexive apologist, obviously not :wally: Yeah, those reflexive apologists, they’re as bad as the nimrods in the _Bush = AntiChrist_ crowd. Most of us are sick of hearing from both poles. ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/34 "2005-09-01T13:43:42Z")
You know, **FinnAgain**. If I was soon to vote and someone treated me the way you’re treating **Abbie** , I might just do something to piss them off as well. So how about you quit being such a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Twin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@Twin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/35 "2005-09-01T13:48:52Z")
> [@MilTan](#): > > Wait - I’m confused. Are you denying that New Orleans, and the Mississippi delta counties are heavily black? According to [this](http://neworleans.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm), New Orleans is _67.5 percent_ black. The minority population is a whopping 72%. Are you further denying that the people least able to evacuate the city (and hence the ones, in my opinion, who were clearly hit the hardest) are the poor? And that further there is a strong positive correlation between being poor and being a minority? > > So what, exactly, did the Times do wrong by reminding its readers of the folks hit hardest by the hurricane? In fact, this runs nicely counter to Jack Shafer’s [criticism](http://www.slate.com/id/2124688/) that the media is, for the most part, ignoring the fact that the victims of Katrina are disproportionately minorities and the poor. > > Take a shot at the Times for the Bush jab, if you will. But there is no reason to get snippy about their simply calling your attention to the truth. What is that loud wooshing sound? ---
**Author:** ![MilTan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@MilTan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MilTan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/36 "2005-09-01T15:08:45Z")
> [@Twin](#): > > What is that loud wooshing sound? You know, I considered that possibility, but it’s _really_ hard to tell sometimes with **Shodan**. If I was, in fact, whooshed, **Shodan** , you have my apologies for getting snippy myself. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/37 "2005-09-01T15:43:43Z")
**cricetus** very weird! [There does seem to be some confusion, doesn’t there?](http://www.mail-archive.com/linguaphile@wordsmith.org/msg00135.html) I’m tempted to post a question in GQ now… > [@bluecanary](#): > > You know, **FinnAgain**. If I was soon to vote and someone treated me the way you’re treating **Abbie** , I might just do something to piss them off as well. Then you too are a petulant brat who’d waste your one and only vote. Good for you! You’d subvert the entire political process just so you could act like a little shit throwing a temper tantrum. Oh boy, you’ll sure show those people you don’t like, you’ll get someone who’s bad for the country elected. Good going! Oh, and, by the way, if you read through this thread you’ll see **Abbie** being a first rate moron from the word go (and you two seem to think alike, too). Sorry, I don’t play with kid gloves in the Pit, even if that means whiney brats will vote for people they don’t support. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/38 "2005-09-01T16:09:53Z")
**FinnAgain** : Alienating another swing voter with every post. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/39 "2005-09-01T16:37:05Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Anything. Everything. Nothing. > > It is roughly similar to post-9/11. No matter what Bush did, someone was going to fault him for it. If he jumps up and runs from the class room, he is panicking. If he stays for seven minutes after hearing the news, he froze. > > It might be interesting to hear what the NY Times editorial writer believes Bush could have done to prevent the disaster by not going on vacation. It’s the Farenheit 9/11 school of criticism - “the President should have done something” where “something” is left undefined. Then, no matter what he does, it was wrong. And there it is. Well stated. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470/40 "2005-09-01T16:48:32Z")
> [@bluecanary](#): > > **FinnAgain** : Alienating another swing voter with every post. Another asshole petulant child who will waste his vote because someone not even associated with a campaign gives him a basic civics lesson. You’re a fool and a waste. Schmuck. But please, keep up this bullshit of “I’ll cut my nose off to spite my face!” Fucking moron. You have a responsibility to elect the best candidate, not act like an asshole brat. Fuck off asshole, fuck off. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-eye-roll-for-the-new-york-times/319470.md?page=3)