# A big heartyy Fuck you to Pontiac **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726 "2010-03-17T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/21 "2010-03-17T18:01:10Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Presumably the OP knows whether or not the car’s been to Oklahoma, seeing how he’s owned the car since it was new. > > On the other hand, the OP also owned (and loved!) a Pontiac Aztek, a car so ugly even other crossovers wouldn’t fuck it- so maybe he doesn’t know shit. Regardless of the reason, then, I think we can all agree that Pontiac deserves a big heartyy Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/22 "2010-03-17T18:05:45Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Yes, I agree that he has never driven it to/in Oklahoma. However, that doesn’t mean the car has never been there. I guarantee his car has been in California, and either got shipped by boat to Texas or driven across the states by truck or train. Plus, cars get moved around between dealerships as well. Of course it’s been to California. It was built there. However, there’s no logical reason for it to have been in _Oklahoma_. Pontiac doesn’t have a plant there, and a dealer in _New Jersey_ is not going to be swapping stock with one in Oklahoma. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Regardless of the reason, then, I think we can all agree that Pontiac deserves a big heartyy Fuck you. Well, yes, but that goes without saying. Honestly, anyone who buys a GM product deserves a swift kick in the goolies. ---
**Author:** ![Apex\_Rogers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@Apex\_Rogers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apex_Rogers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/23 "2010-03-17T18:07:08Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Yes, I agree that he has never driven it to/in Oklahoma. However, that doesn’t mean the car has never been there. I guarantee his car has been in California, and either got shipped by boat to Texas or driven across the states by truck or train. Plus, cars get moved around between dealerships as well. So what? Are you saying that this recall fix was performed in 2008 before it even existed? No? Then why do you keep bringing up the fact that it may have been in Oklahoma at some point in its lifetime? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/24 "2010-03-17T18:11:41Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Dude, if you manage to get **ivn188** _and_ **Rand Rover** to disagree with you in the same thread, you know you’re in the right. > > Plus, you should win some sort of prize. **Ivn188** has never been on anyone’s list of credible critics. Seriously, the stick up his ass has a stick up it’s ass. **Rand Rover** too. I’d put them on ignore except that they’re not worth that much effort. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/25 "2010-03-17T18:21:22Z")
> [@MannyL](#): > > So now **i HAVE TO WAIT WHILE THEY TRACK DOWN THE PERSON WHO’S CAR WAS FIXED SO PONTIAC CAN GET THE VIN OF THE CORRECT CAR WHILE I DRIVE A CAR THAT AT ANY SECOND (well any second it’s in drive) SUDDENLY ACCELERATE CAUSING ME TO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION** Chill. Frankly, I still don’t believe there’s much of anything wrong here. Let’s just say that a perfectly normal number of these “runaway” vehicles were being driven by the elderly - and it’s normal because the elderly are the ones who usually do that anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/26 "2010-03-17T18:22:51Z")
> [@Apex\_Rogers](#): > > So what? Are you saying that this recall fix was performed in 2008 before it even existed? No? Then why do you keep bringing up the fact that it may have been in Oklahoma at some point in its lifetime? Actually the recall fix _could_ have been performed earlier as part of another fix, _as I have explained_. But I don’t insist on it. It’s just that it’s not true that his car could never have been in OK at any time. And **RNATB** , cars that get ordered come from wherever there is a car, and are just put on the transporter next time one goes through. Also Oklahoma is kind of halfway between CA and NJ. > [@Projammer](#): > > **Ivn188** has never been on anyone’s list of credible critics. Seriously, the stick up his ass has a stick up it’s ass. **Rand Rover** too. I’d put them on ignore except that they’re not worth that much effort. And you’ve never been on anyone’s list of anything. That’s because you’re eminently forgettable and you have the personality of a styrofoam cup. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/27 "2010-03-17T18:26:56Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Actually the recall fix _could_ have been performed earlier as part of another fix, _as I have explained_. But I don’t insist on it. It’s just that it’s not true that his car could never have been in OK at any time. Fine, the car _could_ have been in Oklahoma. It’s still extremely unlikely- and again, _this fix has only existed for about three months._ > [@](#): > > And **RNATB** , cars that get ordered come from wherever there is a car, and are just put on the transporter next time one goes through. Also Oklahoma is kind of halfway between CA and NJ. We’re not talking about a Lamborghini. It’s a Pontiac Vibe. If there was one in Oklahoma there were eight in New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/28 "2010-03-17T18:31:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Fine, the car _could_ have been in Oklahoma. It’s still extremely unlikely- and again, _this fix has only existed for about three months._ Which the fuck part of “I don’t insist on it” is not apparent to you? Like I said about six fucking times already, it’s only _possible_. I don’t know, or give a shit, if his car has or hasn’t been repaired or where it has or hasn’t been repaired. I _do_ know that the OP is obviously a bit unhinged. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/29 "2010-03-17T18:34:30Z")
You’d be unhinged if you’d owned two Pontiacs in a row. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/30 "2010-03-17T18:43:30Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > And you’ve never been on anyone’s list of anything. That’s because you’re eminently forgettable and you have the personality of a styrofoam cup. Ow. I’m wounded. Mortally even. See? I’m dieing here. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/31 "2010-03-17T18:44:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > We’re not talking about a Lamborghini. It’s a Pontiac Vibe. If there was one in Oklahoma there were eight in New Jersey. Also, since I didn’t see this, yes. There will be some in NJ. How many of them are mint green with the beige cloth interior, moonroof package, automatic transmission, and optional alloy wheels? One of my cars came from a dealership in North Dakota, which is not where I live. It was brand new. Jesus Christ, this is not rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/32 "2010-03-17T18:47:37Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Actually the recall fix _could_ have been performed earlier as part of another fix, _as I have explained_. No, you moron, it could _not_ have been performed earlier as part of another fix. I don’t know what temporal time shift you are envisioning, but one more time: the part required to fix the problem did not exist in 2008. So chill out on the Oklahoma thing, Dr. Who. Your alternate timeline just doesn’t fly. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/33 "2010-03-17T19:04:18Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > One of my cars came from a dealership in North Dakota, which is not where I live. It was brand new. Jesus Christ, this is not rocket science. Then your dealer was stupid. Or you have really fucking strange taste. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/34 "2010-03-17T20:10:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Then your dealer was stupid. Or you have really fucking strange taste. I’ll give **ivn1188** this point, and only this point. Dealers will ship a specific build-out from wherever it is available. When I was buying a few years back, the found a car close to the one I wanted in CA, but not in the right color (actually, it was a pretty shitty color). So I waited for the build and the slow ship from Japan. That said, no dealer will do a recall fix **before** the recall is implemented and before the recall piece built and distributed. It is that it _might_ have happened. It could **not** have happened. To not realize your mistake after being told this several times really cements your standing as one of the SDMB’s pre-eminent simpletons and rectal orifices. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/35 "2010-03-17T20:40:53Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Jesus Christ, this is not rocket science. Oh? Sorry, I must be in the wrong room. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/36 "2010-03-17T21:35:07Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > before the recall piece built and distributed is built and distributed. > [@](#): > > It is that it _might_ have happened. isn’t ---
**Author:** ![Apex\_Rogers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@Apex\_Rogers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apex_Rogers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/37 "2010-03-17T23:55:36Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Actually the recall fix _could_ have been performed earlier as part of another fix, _as I have explained_. According to the OP’s recollection, his vehicle has never been in Oklahoma. The dealer and Pontiac representative claim that this particular recall was made in Oklahoma. The only possible time his car could have been in Oklahoma was before he purchased it, which was two years before the recall ever existed. So how in your mind is it _possible_ that this fix was made in Oklahoma in 2008, well before the fix even existed? > [@ivn1188](#): > > But I don’t insist on it. It’s just that it’s not true that his car could never have been in OK at any time. And **RNATB** , cars that get ordered come from wherever there is a car, and are just put on the transporter next time one goes through. Also Oklahoma is kind of halfway between CA and NJ. Nobody has denied that his car may have spent some time in Oklahoma before he bought it. This is the particular scenario that you posit, after all. With the Pontiac dealer/representatives claiming that this fix was made in Oklahoma, and the fact that the only way his car spent time in Oklahoma was before the recall existed, there is no logical way that his car would have been fixed in Oklahoma, not as a standalone fix and not as part of another fix. I can’t imagine you have a particularly tough profession if this is the sort of critical thinking skills you have at your disposal. I’m thinking you are a meter maid, but that involves the understanding of temporal events, so I’m probably shooting too high here. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/38 "2010-03-18T03:40:44Z")
> [@MannyL](#): > > My girlfriend suggested I contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Agency which I did to lodge a complaint against Pontiac and the dealer and the person there suggested I contact the FTC which I did. filing two complaints as well. Go back and have the service manager write you up a receipt stating that the repair was installed, and or bring a friend to videotape the exchange. Then take the car to another mechanic and pay them them to check for the modification. When service provider confirms the modification was not installed, ask them to document it. If its something you can add to your video clearly, do so. File small claims court case to recover your money from dealer. Video and invoices will make for an excellent presentation in court. Don’t forget to add lost wages for taking the car to other mechanic and the second trip to dealer. ---
**Author:** ![gravitycrash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@gravitycrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gravitycrash)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/39 "2010-03-18T03:42:44Z")
“Beloved Pontiac Aztec” Does not compute. ---
**Author:** ![MannyL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@MannyL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MannyL)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726/40 "2010-03-18T13:34:53Z")
Thank you for the the replies. I must admit I was joking when I was talking about the car could kill me. I know to put it in Neutral and to use the brakes to come to a stop. I was ranting more about how the dealership is believing a computer entry more than the car owner. I bought the car new so there were no owners before me. The Aztek was a great car. It was roomy and comfortable. I spent many a night sleeping in the drivers seat in a parking lot just because I was tired where I was. The cargo area was huge which I loved and you could always find it in a parking lot. Some of it’s appeal was it’s not east on the eyes which is the same category I’m in. On a positive note Pontiac has agreed that my car has not been fixed and it is now scheduled for Saturday again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-heartyy-fuck-you-to-pontiac/532726.md?page=3)