# A big middle finger to the people who took advantage to politicize the school shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107 "2018-02-19T09:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/241 "2018-02-21T06:42:00Z")
> [@j666](#): > > That should be interesting, let us know what you find out. > > I’d be interested in the rates v the number of the items in circulation, if you can. Btw sorry for the error in the sentence, I am sleepy. I know. But yeah I will start a research soon. But here is something I can add while we’re at it. > **[Homicide and knife crime rates 'up in England and Wales'](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39729601)** > > The total number of recorded crimes in England and Wales rose by 9% in 2016, figures show. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/242 "2018-02-21T07:03:42Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I could care less about formal and proper writing in a messageboard The problem with your writing, from the point of view of successfully impersonating an American, isn’t that it’s “informal” or colloquial. It’s that you keep using peculiar, and characteristically Russian-sounding, broken English expressions that wouldn’t sound natural to any actual American English speaker, no matter how informally or colloquially they were writing. Case in point: “in a messageboard”, “start a research”. Heck, the error of using the word “research” in English as though it were a countable noun, like its Russian equivalent исследований (I think), is one of the most commonly cited examples of mistakes that Russian speakers make in English! You, _tovarisch_, have been seriously under-trained for your mission. I only hope that your supervisors monitor your propaganda efforts by reading your posting sites and dock your pay whenever you get outed as a Russian troll. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/243 "2018-02-21T08:03:34Z")
They just keep feeding you, hey L700? You’re going to be diabetic in no time posting here. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/244 "2018-02-21T11:19:36Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I could care less about formal and proper writing in a messageboard, hence the tendency to do so. This isn’t one of your stupid little video game boards filled with middle-schoolers. If you want anyone here to take you seriously, you better start caring. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/245 "2018-02-21T13:17:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > The problem with your writing, from the point of view of successfully impersonating an American, isn’t that it’s “informal” or colloquial. It’s that you keep using peculiar, and characteristically Russian-sounding, broken English expressions that wouldn’t sound natural to any actual American English speaker, no matter how informally or colloquially they were writing. > > Case in point: “in a messageboard”, “start a research”. Heck, the error of using the word “research” in English as though it were a countable noun, like its Russian equivalent исследований (I think), is one of the most commonly cited examples of mistakes that Russian speakers make in English! > > You, _tovarisch_, have been seriously under-trained for your mission. I only hope that your supervisors monitor your propaganda efforts by reading your posting sites and dock your pay whenever you get outed as a Russian troll. Well, shit. There goes his vodka ration for the week. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/246 "2018-02-21T13:35:21Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > As for when would it be appropiate to do gun talk, I say 2 to 3 days later. Which means every. Single. Day. Because while not every single mass murder makes national news, every single day there are mass murders in the US. In the rest of the developed world, any of them would make national news. In the US, most are local footnotes. So either Americans will never get around to talking about more than talking, or it’s about bloody time they did. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/247 "2018-02-21T13:37:42Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Which means every. Single. Day. > > Because while not every single mass murder makes national news, every single day there are mass murders in the US. In the rest of the developed world, any of them would make national news. In the US, most are local footnotes. > > So either Americans will never get around to talking about more than talking, or it’s about bloody time they did. Yeah, I don’t know how constant they are either. But again read the article I posted about the rise of stabbings. It will just show that even if guns didn’t exist, any weapon can become a showdown for most mass murderings. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/248 "2018-02-21T13:39:12Z")
I will find it fucking hilarious if we turn out to have a Russian Troll ™ here. I didn’t realize we were important enough to rate having one. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/249 "2018-02-21T13:40:34Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > The problem with your writing, from the point of view of successfully impersonating an American, isn’t that it’s “informal” or colloquial. It’s that you keep using peculiar, and characteristically Russian-sounding, broken English expressions that wouldn’t sound natural to any actual American English speaker, no matter how informally or colloquially they were writing. > > Case in point: “in a messageboard”, “start a research”. Heck, the error of using the word “research” in English as though it were a countable noun, like its Russian equivalent исследований (I think), is one of the most commonly cited examples of mistakes that Russian speakers make in English! > > You, _tovarisch_, have been seriously under-trained for your mission. I only hope that your supervisors monitor your propaganda efforts by reading your posting sites and dock your pay whenever you get outed as a Russian troll. Is kind of you to help our znakomstvo. Is perhaps the mistake to assume there is only one Luciano700 though? Wow: “can become a showdown for most mass murderings”? Are you just using babelfish or something? This has to be a put on. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/250 "2018-02-21T13:41:22Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I will find it fucking hilarious if we turn out to have a Russian Troll ™ here. I didn’t realize we were important enough to rate having one. I am not even from Russia lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/251 "2018-02-21T13:45:04Z")
It’s also possible that he’s a **fake** Russian troll, deliberately sprinkling his awkward syntax with stereotypical “Russianisms” to fool people, in which case I will be grudgingly amused. Troll of some variety or other, however, is a guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/252 "2018-02-21T13:45:40Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > The problem with your writing, from the point of view of successfully impersonating an American, isn’t that it’s “informal” or colloquial. It’s that you keep using peculiar, and characteristically Russian-sounding, broken English expressions that wouldn’t sound natural to any actual American English speaker, no matter how informally or colloquially they were writing. > > Case in point: “in a messageboard”, “start a research”. Heck, the error of using the word “research” in English as though it were a countable noun, like its Russian equivalent исследований (I think), is one of the most commonly cited examples of mistakes that Russian speakers make in English! > > You, _tovarisch_, have been seriously under-trained for your mission. I only hope that your supervisors monitor your propaganda efforts by reading your posting sites and dock your pay whenever you get outed as a Russian troll. Quick, ask him if he knows the words to the second verse of the nation anthem. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/253 "2018-02-21T13:45:48Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Is kind of you to help our znakomstvo. Is perhaps the mistake to assume there is only one Luciano700 though? > > Wow: “can become a showdown for most mass murderings”? Are you just using babelfish or something? This has to be a put on. No, I just put effort into my thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/254 "2018-02-21T13:48:15Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > It’s also possible that he’s a **fake** Russian troll, deliberately sprinkling his awkward syntax with stereotypical “Russianisms” to fool people, in which case I will be grudgingly amused. > > Troll of some variety or other, however, is a guarantee. Ugh, this is probably the 100th time I mention and it will probably the last time I do so, but I have a learning/thinking disability. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/255 "2018-02-21T14:05:22Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > No, I just put effort into my thinking. You put effort into “any weapon can become a showdown for most mass murderings.” That tracks with nothing an English speaker would say. You may as well have written “murderinks”. In Soviet Russia, gerund confuses you! Your “learning/thinking” problem is that you are thinking in one language and learning how to correspond online in another. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/256 "2018-02-21T14:15:13Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I am not even from Russia lmao. The Ukraine, then? Some other nice former soviet socialist republic? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/257 "2018-02-21T14:18:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I will find it fucking hilarious if we turn out to have a Russian Troll ™ here. I didn’t realize we were important enough to rate having one. Given the _quality_ of Russian Troll™ we’re getting . . . we clearly _aren’t_ important enough to rate having one! ☹ CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/258 "2018-02-21T14:18:31Z")
Kill moose and squirrel! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/259 "2018-02-21T14:21:06Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > No, I just put effort into my thinking. Trolling or not, this is demonstrably incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/260 "2018-02-21T14:21:25Z")
Fine I will add to the tyranny theory If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. So when you imagine 100 MILLION people, even armed with “pee-shooters” marching against a hypothetical oppressive US takeover of government, the numbers would add to the effectiveness dramatically. Add to that the rage and fury of what would ensue when and if the US Military were turned on its own citizens and started slaughtering revolutionaries, en masse. Initial heavy casualties of haphazardly armed American citizens/revolutionaries would more likely be a liability for the American military than a good outcome. Finally, in the event of revolution against a hypothetical tyrannical government here in America (which as I said I don’t believe will ever happen) one has to remember that all branches of the American Military, the Federal Marshals, local police forces, Federal Police, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Special Forces, the BATF, and every well armed US agency are all American citizens, too. I would imagine that a lot of the effectiveness to overthrow a hypothetical US government that lapses into tyranny would depend upon how much of these official military and policing agencies switched sides and joined the revolution. I can’t speak for all the people in military, local, and Federal law enforcement agencies, but I would imagine that following orders to wage war on American citizens, in flagrant violation of Posse Comitatus, would not go over very well with a lot of these people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=14)