# A big middle finger to the people who took advantage to politicize the school shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107 "2018-02-19T09:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/261 "2018-02-21T14:48:44Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Fine I will add to the tyranny theory > > If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. So when you imagine 100 MILLION people, even armed with “pee-shooters” marching against a hypothetical oppressive US takeover of government, the numbers would add to the effectiveness dramatically. Add to that the rage and fury of what would ensue when and if the US Military were turned on its own citizens and started slaughtering revolutionaries, en masse. Initial heavy casualties of haphazardly armed American citizens/revolutionaries would more likely be a liability for the American military than a good outcome. > > Finally, in the event of revolution against a hypothetical tyrannical government here in America (which as I said I don’t believe will ever happen) one has to remember that all branches of the American Military, the Federal Marshals, local police forces, Federal Police, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Special Forces, the BATF, and every well armed US agency are all American citizens, too. I would imagine that a lot of the effectiveness to overthrow a hypothetical US government that lapses into tyranny would depend upon how much of these official military and policing agencies switched sides and joined the revolution. > > I can’t speak for all the people in military, local, and Federal law enforcement agencies, but I would imagine that following orders to wage war on American citizens, in flagrant violation of Posse Comitatus, would not go over very well with a lot of these people. And, finally, ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/262 "2018-02-21T14:56:51Z")
Do you ever find yourself wondering what **Dinesh d’Souza** is up to these days? Me neither, but it’s this: > **[Scumbag Dinesh D'Souza mocks Parkland high school students. - Democratic...](https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210265667)** If even CPAC calls you a squirrelly little jailbird piece of shit, you should really reexamine your life choices. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/263 "2018-02-21T15:34:45Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > And, finally, ignored. Ok puss ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/264 "2018-02-21T16:01:42Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Ugh, this is probably the 100th time I mention and it will probably the last time I do so, but I have a learning/thinking disability. That may be, but it doesn’t account for your characteristic foreigner-type mistakes in the language. Any more than somebody’s having chronic asthma would account for their walking with a limp. Patterns of linguistic errors are very distinctive and very indicative of particular sources. Native US-English speakers with learning/cognitive disabilities do make grammatical and syntactical errors, but not the same sort as yours. You are either a Russian troll poorly impersonating an American internet user, or some variety of hobby troll deliberately cultivating a foreign-sounding broken English style with stereotypical “Russianisms” in order to impersonate a Russian troll. Or perhaps some combination of the above: you might be a whole matryoshka doll of trollish deception, for all I know. But what you are definitely **not** is a native US-English speaker sincerely attempting to have a thoughtful discussion about gun violence. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/265 "2018-02-21T16:31:44Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Fine I will add to the tyranny theory > > If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. So when you imagine 100 MILLION people, even armed with “pee-shooters” marching against a hypothetical oppressive US takeover of government, the numbers would add to the effectiveness dramatically. Add to that the rage and fury of what would ensue when and if the US Military were turned on its own citizens and started slaughtering revolutionaries, en masse. Initial heavy casualties of haphazardly armed American citizens/revolutionaries would more likely be a liability for the American military than a good outcome. > > Finally, in the event of revolution against a hypothetical tyrannical government here in America (which as I said I don’t believe will ever happen) one has to remember that all branches of the American Military, the Federal Marshals, local police forces, Federal Police, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Special Forces, the BATF, and every well armed US agency are all American citizens, too. I would imagine that a lot of the effectiveness to overthrow a hypothetical US government that lapses into tyranny would depend upon how much of these official military and policing agencies switched sides and joined the revolution. > > I can’t speak for all the people in military, local, and Federal law enforcement agencies, but I would imagine that following orders to wage war on American citizens, in flagrant violation of Posse Comitatus, would not go over very well with a lot of these people. Who writes your speeches for you? Can your bosses assign him/her to this message board instead of you? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/266 "2018-02-21T16:34:38Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Fine I will add to the tyranny theory > > If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. So when you imagine 100 MILLION people, even armed with “pee-shooters” marching against a hypothetical oppressive US takeover of government, the numbers would add to the effectiveness dramatically. Add to that the rage and fury of what would ensue when and if the US Military were turned on its own citizens and started slaughtering revolutionaries, en masse. Initial heavy casualties of haphazardly armed American citizens/revolutionaries would more likely be a liability for the American military than a good outcome. > > Finally, in the event of revolution against a hypothetical tyrannical government here in America (which as I said I don’t believe will ever happen) one has to remember that all branches of the American Military, the Federal Marshals, local police forces, Federal Police, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Special Forces, the BATF, and every well armed US agency are all American citizens, too. I would imagine that a lot of the effectiveness to overthrow a hypothetical US government that lapses into tyranny would depend upon how much of these official military and policing agencies switched sides and joined the revolution. > > I can’t speak for all the people in military, local, and Federal law enforcement agencies, but I would imagine that following orders to wage war on American citizens, in flagrant violation of Posse Comitatus, would not go over very well with a lot of these people. Bad enough that you’re a troll, but clearly a plagiarist as well. Up with this we will not put! ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/267 "2018-02-21T16:38:29Z")
> [@Not\_a\_Platypus](#): > > I understand the debate perfectly well, assumed correctly what your point probably was, and actually wasn’t trying to be condescending. My point was that your example, if taken as a literal refute to what he said, was goddamn hilarious. It still is. Hello Not a Platypus. I am Not a Carlson. As an Australian, I feel uniquely qualified to offer my two brass razoos. When Comrade Doofus wrote the following: > [@Luciano700](#): > > America is a much larger country than any European nation ever. And we have a lot of wilderness, open space, and many different types of populations. …my first thought was pretty much the same as **Derleth** : “You want to talk about countries with a lot of wilderness, boyo? Try Australia!” So, given the rather silly argument that the OP was making in that post (ie, the USA is just too darned big and open to implement gun contol!) -referenced and countered by **Guinastasia** , then followed by **Derleth** , it seems clear that **Derleth** ’s response was entirely on point. I’m sure you can appreciate that upon reflection. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/268 "2018-02-21T17:07:50Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That may be, but it doesn’t account for your characteristic foreigner-type mistakes in the language. Any more than somebody’s having chronic asthma would account for their walking with a limp. > > Patterns of linguistic errors are very distinctive and very indicative of particular sources. Native US-English speakers with learning/cognitive disabilities do make grammatical and syntactical errors, but not the same sort as yours. > > You are either a Russian troll poorly impersonating an American internet user, or some variety of hobby troll deliberately cultivating a foreign-sounding broken English style with stereotypical “Russianisms” in order to impersonate a Russian troll. Or perhaps some combination of the above: you might be a whole matryoshka doll of trollish deception, for all I know. But what you are definitely **not** is a native US-English speaker sincerely attempting to have a thoughtful discussion about gun violence. Sure you say that now, but once you open the door and see all the monkeys furiously pounding away at their keyboards to create what we affectionately know as L-7, won’t you be embarrassed at how far off you were? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/269 "2018-02-21T17:12:01Z")
Furiously pounding away at their whats now? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/270 "2018-02-21T17:12:39Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Fine I will add to the tyranny theory > > If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. So when you imagine 100 MILLION people, even armed with “pee-shooters” marching against a hypothetical oppressive US takeover of government, the numbers would add to the effectiveness dramatically. Add to that the rage and fury of what would ensue when and if the US Military were turned on its own citizens and started slaughtering revolutionaries, en masse. Initial heavy casualties of haphazardly armed American citizens/revolutionaries would more likely be a liability for the American military than a good outcome. > > Finally, in the event of revolution against a hypothetical tyrannical government here in America (which as I said I don’t believe will ever happen) one has to remember that all branches of the American Military, the Federal Marshals, local police forces, Federal Police, the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, Special Forces, the BATF, and every well armed US agency are all American citizens, too. I would imagine that a lot of the effectiveness to overthrow a hypothetical US government that lapses into tyranny would depend upon how much of these official military and policing agencies switched sides and joined the revolution. > > I can’t speak for all the people in military, local, and Federal law enforcement agencies, but I would imagine that following orders to wage war on American citizens, in flagrant violation of Posse Comitatus, would not go over very well with a lot of these people. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who writes your speeches for you? Can your bosses assign him/her to this message board instead of you? I think the boiler room he works out of has a collection of extended passages of competent writing, from which he and his coworkers can draw when they sense that the audience is catching on. It’s probably monitored for activity, though, so he’s got to be careful about going to the well too frequently. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/271 "2018-02-21T17:16:32Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > {…} monkeys furiously pounding away at their keyboards {…} Just to clarify, drunk monkeys correct? I was assured I . . . err, they had to keep the monkeys drunk for this to work. (I mean, all the money I . . . err, they put out each month on booze could have bought me . . . them a lot more monkeys!) CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/272 "2018-02-21T17:17:16Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > If the US government lapses into treasonous tyranny, it is my belief that the “people” if they revolted would enjoy the sheer numbers as the military and leadership of a country is an infinitesimal fraction of the masses of a nation’s population. If the US lapses into tyranny, most of the people will support it. There aren’t any dictatorships where the guy on top is opposed by everyone underneath. That may happen in the movies but it doesn’t happen in real life. The Communists were largely supported in the Soviet Union. The Nazis had broad support in Germany. The Fascists had lots of support in Italy. Today’s emerging dictatorships all enjoy wide support. Erdogan? Putin? Popular as hell. Your idea that all American gun owners would rise up and oppose a dictatorship is absurd. It’s a preposterous fantasy that ignores the entirety of human history, as ludicrous as thinking the dictatorship would be overthrown by space aliens. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/273 "2018-02-21T17:17:23Z")
“These are the new talking points. These are the \*Glengarry \*talking points. And to you, they’re gold, and you don’t get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. They’re for closers. I’d wish you good luck, but you wouldn’t know what to do with it if you got it.” Vodka’s for closers. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_a\_Platypus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@Not\_a\_Platypus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_a_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/274 "2018-02-21T17:19:57Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Hello Not a Platypus. I am Not a Carlson. > As an Australian, I feel uniquely qualified to offer my two brass razoos. > > When Comrade Doofus wrote the following: > > …my first thought was pretty much the same as **Derleth** : “You want to talk about countries with a lot of wilderness, boyo? Try Australia!” > So, given the rather silly argument that the OP was making in that post (ie, the USA is just too darned big and open to implement gun contol!) -referenced and countered by **Guinastasia** , then followed by **Derleth** , it seems clear that **Derleth** ’s response was entirely on point. I’m sure you can appreciate that upon reflection. Oh sure. Like I said, I did assume correctly what his point was. I genuinely wasn’t trying to be a dick, but it’s hard to take any debate involving \*\*Luciano \*\*seriously when even he can’t be bothered to respond to most posts. If we were in GD and a good faith effort was being made all around to debate a serious topic, I wouldn’t have said a word. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/275 "2018-02-21T17:28:51Z")
OP: “\*\*A big middle finger to the people who took advantage to politicize the school shooting” \*\*I have a finger right back at anyone who suggests that discussing ways to save lives is politicizing any fucking thing. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/276 "2018-02-21T17:37:35Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Hello Not a Platypus. I am Not a Carlson. > As an Australian, I feel uniquely qualified to offer my two brass razoos. > > When Comrade Doofus wrote the following: > > …my first thought was pretty much the same as **Derleth** : “You want to talk about countries with a lot of wilderness, boyo? Try Australia!” > So, given the rather silly argument that the OP was making in that post (ie, the USA is just too darned big and open to implement gun contol!) -referenced and countered by **Guinastasia** , then followed by **Derleth** , it seems clear that **Derleth** ’s response was entirely on point. I’m sure you can appreciate that upon reflection. Thank you, that’s entirely my point, with an extra helping of relevance in that Oz did indeed give up the gun after the [Port Arthur Massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)), so, yes, it _is_ possible for a Western country to revisit gun control laws after a tragedy, as opposed to the gunners whining that it’s “too soon” or that politicians are using the survivors to do politics, or that politics itself is a dirty word. > [@Not\_a\_Platypus](#): > > Oh sure. Like I said, I did assume correctly what his point was. I genuinely wasn’t trying to be a dick, but it’s hard to take any debate involving \*\*Luciano \*\*seriously when even he can’t be bothered to respond to most posts. If we were in GD and a good faith effort was being made all around to debate a serious topic, I wouldn’t have said a word. No hard feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/277 "2018-02-21T17:46:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Your idea that all American gun owners would rise up and oppose a dictatorship is absurd. It’s a preposterous fantasy that ignores the entirety of human history, as ludicrous as thinking the dictatorship would be overthrown by space aliens. Especially since the kinds of people who own the most guns are precisely the kinds of people who’d institute a dictatorship once it became clear that they couldn’t gerrymander their way into owning the place: Conservative White Evangelicals morally opposed to gays, trans people, brown people, and any religion other than Moral Majority Deficit Hawk. In other words, the kinds of people who are at the wrong end of the demographic and cultural shift, who can no longer simply assume their ideas will be taken seriously, and, because they couldn’t form a cogent argument in favor of those ideas if you held a gun to their heads, are at increased risk of holding a gun to everyone else’s. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/278 "2018-02-21T18:29:30Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Especially since the kinds of people who own the most guns are precisely the kinds of people who’d institute a dictatorship once it became clear that they couldn’t gerrymander their way into owning the place: Conservative White Evangelicals morally opposed to gays, trans people, brown people, and any religion other than Moral Majority Deficit Hawk. > > In other words, the kinds of people who are at the wrong end of the demographic and cultural shift, who can no longer simply assume their ideas will be taken seriously, and, because they couldn’t form a cogent argument in favor of those ideas if you held a gun to their heads, are at increased risk of holding a gun to everyone else’s. You forgot male, able-bodied, neurotypical, adult and fit. Anyways, why would they want to start a dictatorship? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/279 "2018-02-21T18:35:12Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If the US lapses into tyranny, most of the people will support it. > > There aren’t any dictatorships where the guy on top is opposed by everyone underneath. That may happen in the movies but it doesn’t happen in real life. The Communists were largely supported in the Soviet Union. The Nazis had broad support in Germany. The Fascists had lots of support in Italy. Today’s emerging dictatorships all enjoy wide support. Erdogan? Putin? Popular as hell. > > Your idea that all American gun owners would rise up and oppose a dictatorship is absurd. It’s a preposterous fantasy that ignores the entirety of human history, as ludicrous as thinking the dictatorship would be overthrown by space aliens. Some gun toting assholes would SUPPORT a dictatorship or plutocracy or kakistocracy, as long as it’s THEIR BOY. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/280 "2018-02-21T18:36:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OP: > “\*\*A big middle finger to the people who took advantage to politicize the school shooting” > > \*\*I have a finger right back at anyone who suggests that discussing ways to save lives is politicizing any fucking thing. Damn right. A big middle finger and a hearty mooning to Limbaugh and all the rest of the lying hypocritical bastards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=15)