# A big middle finger to the people who took advantage to politicize the school shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107 "2018-02-19T09:00:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/81 "2018-02-19T18:15:18Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > But they do work. They get an issue out in the open, they send the message that people have run out of patience, they get media attention, and they “inform” politicians that they will not be coming back next election if they refuse to listen. > > If Ted Nugent can talk smack about shooting people and Cliven Bundy can seize and occupy a federal facility (and get away with it), then by God, people can peacefully walk around with signs and tell their politicians why they won’t get re-elected. > > This discussion is serious. Quite literally deadly serious. I like to pretend I never heard of Ted Nugent sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/82 "2018-02-19T18:16:07Z")
Who? ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/83 "2018-02-19T18:17:40Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > If the discussion cannot happen in close proximity to a mass shooting then it can never happen due to the frequency of mass shootings in the USA. > > [https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-occurred-in-2018](https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-occurred-in-2018) Why do most seem to happen to east coast??? And northeast for that matter too. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/84 "2018-02-19T18:18:08Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I like to pretend I never heard of Ted Nugent sometimes. Too bad. He’s one of you. Just \*like \*you, actually, except for the fame, the riches, and the talent. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/85 "2018-02-19T18:20:22Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Why do most seem to happen to east coast??? And northeast for that matter too. [Check your map](https://mediaassets.abc15.com/photo/2018/02/14/KNXV%202018%20Mass%20Shootings%20Feb%2014_1518645344967.jpg_77931220_ver1.0_640_480.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/86 "2018-02-19T18:21:55Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Pity post. You are soooo fucking funny. > [@Luciano700](#): > > Except the discussion is not being done seriously… {…} With apologies to Miller . . . Fuck you, you little still wet behind the ears can barely grow a beard know-it-all, fffffuuuuuccccckkkkk yyyyyuuuuuooooo! I heartily look forward to the day that you either grow the fuck up or get banned. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/87 "2018-02-19T18:23:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > You are soooo fucking funny.With apologies to Miller . . . Fuck you, you little still wet behind the ears can barely grow a beard know-it-all, fffffuuuuuccccckkkkk yyyyyuuuuuooooo! > > I heartily look forward that either you grow the fuck up or get banned. > > CMC fnord! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/88 "2018-02-19T18:27:51Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Why do most seem to happen to east coast??? And northeast for that matter too. Even if that was true, what’s your point? Those kids don’t matter? Of course, I seem to remember some shootings in Texas, Virginia, Kentucky, Colorado, and even Washington State. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/89 "2018-02-19T18:35:18Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Even if that was true, what’s your point? > > Those kids don’t matter? > > Of course, I seem to remember some shootings in Texas, Virginia, Kentucky, Colorado, and even Washington State. I never said they don’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/90 "2018-02-19T18:39:09Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Why do most seem to happen to east coast??? And northeast for that matter too. [Compare to population map.](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_population_map.png) Mass shootings happen where the people are. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/91 "2018-02-19T18:43:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Too bad. He’s one of you. Just \*like \*you, actually, except for the fame, the riches, and the talent. Talent? He’s a hack. Take away the minor pentatonic “scale” and the three note “power” chords, and he ain’t shit. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/92 "2018-02-19T18:45:09Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I never said they don’t matter. Then please explain what point you were trying to make about the geographic distribution of school shootings. I honestly can’t figure out why you thought it was relevant to anything? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/93 "2018-02-19T18:46:04Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Talent? > > He’s a hack. Talented enough to get rich and famous with it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/94 "2018-02-19T18:47:09Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Then please explain what point you were trying to make about the geographic distribution of school shootings. I honestly can’t figure out why you thought it was relevant to anything? Well first off my bad, other map I saw was very blurred. Because is not what I would expect if the was the case. But really I don’t care where they happen. A shooting is a shooting… Still an interesting way to think it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/95 "2018-02-19T18:47:15Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Here’s more insight from me so that you all could take me more serious > Administration of testing might be the BATF, but that is just off the top of my head. > > The following are just “off the cuff” ideas. I have no idea if they are practical. > > I think people who want to own anything above a basic handgun should be required to have X-amount of hours training with common weapons. I think just as a person needs to demonstrate a fundamental ability to drive a car without plowing into a group of people in an outdoor strip mall, if you want to own weapons, you should have to learn how to shoot straight, clean a gun, dismantle it, operate is safely, turn a safety on and off, load and unload, and then have to take practical exams at a firing range. (GOOD) > > I think practical exams should include being able to hit targets with a certain percentage, being able to clean and disassemble, then re-assemble a gun in a limited time period. (GOOD) > I think written and face-to-face psychological tests could be a viable solution, particularly for some of these real nutbars who may end up one day shooting up a crowd of innocent people. (GOOD) And questions shouldn’t be so obvious either. I am not a psychologist, but I am sure that there are all kinds of ways to determining if a guy may become unhinged a few months or years down the line. Except a handgun? No. Include them too. Also, include a federal background check - a REAL check, to bar felons, nut cases, and people who have connections to hate or terror groups. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/96 "2018-02-19T18:52:13Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Except a handgun? No. Include them too. Also, include a federal background check - a REAL check, to bar felons, nut cases, and people who have connections to hate or terror groups. I am glad we can finally agree and be civil 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/97 "2018-02-19T19:02:20Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I am glad we can finally agree and be civil 😃 And then the check is all good to be in ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/98 "2018-02-19T19:40:36Z")
For all those who say it’s “too soon” to “politicize” a tragic event: Pretend we’re having this same discussion today except it’s about Sandy Hook. Is 5 years enough time? Thank you. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/99 "2018-02-19T19:42:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Pretend we’re having this same discussion today except it’s about Sandy Hook. Now you’re exploiting _six-year-olds_ for political gain. Is there no limit to your depravity? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107/100 "2018-02-19T19:45:56Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > And then the check is all good to be in Does this honestly make anything approaching any type of sense in your head? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-middle-finger-to-the-people-who-took-advantage-to-politicize-the-school-shooting/809107.md?page=6)