# A big 'ol "Fuck YOU!" to the PETA jackass at the circus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 25, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945 "2009-01-25T19:54:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/61 "2009-01-26T01:00:16Z")
> [@Hostile\_Dialect](#): > > Yes, I’m sure Barnum & Bailey is considered acceptable by a society whose standards for such things are influenced by the very fact that circuses are considered tradition. Gee, I wonder why bullfighting isn’t illegal in Spain yet. > > Hostile Dialect, > Hostile Dialect, Narcissist Winning a case in court that you are treating animals humanely seems like something of a cite.\* You seem to be quite certain that they aren’t treating the animals well, but I have yet to see any information but assertions to back this. - Though of course I haven’t seen a link to this either. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/62 "2009-01-26T01:04:34Z")
I don’t know about today, but as far as 1999 goes, the cite in post 59 stands. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/63 "2009-01-26T01:06:58Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > This thread does call out for a big cite on the treatment of the animals at Barnum & Bailey Circus. Can the anti-circus posters support their position of animal cruelty with perhaps a serious Humane Society\* study that specifically address Barnum & Bailey and not other smaller circus? I was under the impression that B&B got a passive grade in general. > > PETA studies are of course worth nothing at all. > > Disclaimer: I am an animal lover, I support the humane Society, World Wildlife Fun and even Green Peace but I hate PETA intensely and I hate claims without support. > > - Or any other legit scientific study. Ask and ye shall [recieve](http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hsus_says_circus_visit_to_va_post_office_risks_public_safety_raises_concerns_over_animal_treatment.html). Generally speaking, Barnum & Bailey is not on the top of HSUS’s list of bad folk, but there have been a number of incidents - you can get a pretty good picture by just searching their website for Barnum. (Most of the summaries say Ringling Bros, but it’s officially "Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.) So they’re not great on animal rights - but anything that involves taking an animal out of anything resembling it’s natural habitat just so it can perform for humans is by definition not going to be a great in that field. Are they are horrible as PETA would have you think? Of course not, because PETA is composed of a bunch of hot-headed, reactionary idiots who make those of us who are serious about not making sick elephants perform until they fall over dead look bad. (And don’t even get me started on PETA-type vegetarians. No one cares what you eat or why. Please shut up.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/64 "2009-01-26T01:39:18Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Wait, why would you want public executions? If I were dying, I’d be freaked out to have my last moments be publicized, with slack jawed people pointing and laughing at me. Hint: executions, public _or private_, are not generally performed with the condemned’s best interests in mind. Anyway, if a society cares enough to sentence its criminals to death, it ought to care enough to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/65 "2009-01-26T01:39:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Just thought I’d make sure anyone who chose to respond to gonzomax knew who they were dealing with. Don’t do this. It’s one thing to bring up someone’s past posts in the midst of an argument with or about a person to support your case against them. It’s quite another to follow them from thread to thread, advertising things they’ve said that you disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/66 "2009-01-26T01:45:22Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Ok, I stand corrected. You claim your company charges $500 an hour for your douchebaggery. Can we now agree? You don’t read very well. My firm charges \*over \*$500 per hour. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/67 "2009-01-26T01:47:13Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Don’t do this. It’s one thing to bring up someone’s past posts in the midst of an argument with or about a person to support your case against them. It’s quite another to follow them from thread to thread, advertising things they’ve said that you disagree with. OK, fine. I’m sure you are posting the same thing to Sitnam as we speak (I’m turing blue here, please hurry). ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/68 "2009-01-26T01:59:56Z")
> [@Sage Rat](#): > > Winning a case in court that you are treating animals humanely seems like something of a cite.\* You seem to be quite certain that they aren’t treating the animals well, but I have yet to see any information but assertions to back this. There have been two cites that Barnum & Bailey is inhumane to their animals, and so far the only opposing argument goes something like, “But some guy said they’re not!” I love that you’re quoting my new sig, though. Hostile Dialect Hostile Dialect, Narcissist ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/69 "2009-01-26T02:23:38Z")
Thank you for the cites. As usual PETA is making claims that are overblown and it sounds like a few of our posters might be overstating the case too. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/70 "2009-01-26T02:25:52Z")
> [@Hostile\_Dialect](#): > > The treatment of animals at the circus _is_ appalling. PETA should absolutely be there telling people what’s going on. That’s their job. Actually, no it isn’t, there are government agencies that police the treatment of animals rather closely. I find it **highly** unlikely that it is true that circus animals are mistreated and the idea of beating an animal the size of an elephant into obedience is simply amazing. PETA’s only goal is to make all human/animal interaction illegal or impossible. Over the years they have learned to tone that down and to wrap their message in things like “circus animals are abused” in order to get support from celebs and Joe Average but if you dig a little you’ll still find it. Remember “a boy is a rat is a pig”? Dogs “set free” in traffic? Strays “adopted”, killed in a van and dumped in a dumpster? PETA is no advocate for humane treatment of animals. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/71 "2009-01-26T02:30:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > This thread does call out for a big cite on the treatment of the animals at Barnum & Bailey Circus. Can the anti-circus posters support their position of animal cruelty with perhaps a serious Humane Society\* study that specifically address Barnum & Bailey and not other smaller circus? I was under the impression that B&B got a passive grade in general. > > PETA studies are of course worth nothing at all. > > Disclaimer: I am an animal lover, I support the humane Society, World Wildlife Fun and even Green Peace but I hate PETA intensely and I hate claims without support. > > - Or any other legit scientific study. The HSUS is essentially the same thing as PETA… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/72 "2009-01-26T02:32:23Z")
> [@Hostile\_Dialect](#): > > They are. They recently got a law passed overwhelmingly here in California to make chicken and pig farming significantly more humane. This is debateable, at least the chicken farming. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/73 "2009-01-26T02:34:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > The HSUS is essentially the same thing as PETA… Are you saying the Humane Society is the same as PETA? That is quite the false statement if it is what you are saying. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/74 "2009-01-26T02:39:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You don’t read very well. My firm charges \*over \*$500 per hour. Big fucking difference. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > OK, fine. I’m sure you are posting the same thing to Sitnam as we speak (I’m turning blue here, please hurry). **Sitnam** shouldn’t have done that, true; however, what he brought up was no more irrelevant than what you did, and you did it first. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/75 "2009-01-26T02:51:18Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Are you saying the Humane Society is the same as PETA? > > That is quite the false statement if it is what you are saying. I am saying that the Humane Society of the US specifically is in bed with PETA. This does not include any local humane society shelters you may have, as the HSUS has no shelters at all. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/76 "2009-01-26T02:54:45Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I am saying that the Humane Society of the US specifically is in bed with PETA. This does not include any local humane society shelters you may have, as the HSUS has no shelters at all. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/77 "2009-01-26T02:59:15Z")
I wonder why you never get any PETA members lining the streets of Pamplona for the bull running events…oh, hang on, silly question. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/78 "2009-01-26T03:15:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Actually, no it isn’t, there are government agencies that police the treatment of animals rather closely. I find it **highly** unlikely that it is true that circus animals are mistreated and the idea of beating an animal the size of an elephant into obedience is simply amazing. > > PETA’s only goal is to make all human/animal interaction illegal or impossible. Over the years they have learned to tone that down and to wrap their message in things like “circus animals are abused” in order to get support from celebs and Joe Average but if you dig a little you’ll still find it. Remember “a boy is a rat is a pig”? Dogs “set free” in traffic? Strays “adopted”, killed in a van and dumped in a dumpster? PETA is no advocate for humane treatment of animals. Agreed. PETA hates animals. Hates humans. And hates themselves. It’s truly comical - almost unbelievable. But it wouldn’t be make believe , if you believed in me. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/79 "2009-01-26T03:16:06Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > That’s absurd. Of course you are. For example, a three-year-old isn’t going to understand it if you tell him his grandfather is dead. When I was four I watched my Mother die and I didn’t need anyone to explain to me what was happening. In fact it wasn’t explained to me for almost 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/80 "2009-01-26T03:33:09Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Cite? Google PETA and the HSUS. Right off the top you get: [http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml](http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml) [http://www.activistcash.com/organization\_overview.cfm/oid/136](http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136) [http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Utopia%20on%20the%20Web/-%20LURKING%20ENEMY%20Cornutopia%20corn%20snakes%20cornsnakes.htm](http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Utopia%20on%20the%20Web/-%20LURKING%20ENEMY%20Cornutopia%20corn%20snakes%20cornsnakes.htm) and on and on. The HSUS _used_ to be your local humane society running the shelter, but no more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945.md?page=5)