# A big 'ol "Fuck YOU!" to the PETA jackass at the circus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 25, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945 "2009-01-25T19:54:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/81 "2009-01-26T03:47:37Z")
Let the hate go. Invite him over for a steak and watch animals eating other tasty animals on the Nature channel. Let him know you think animals should be well-treated, and ask how you can help. People Eating Tasty Animals means well. They are just naive and like most of us, need a cause to further their personal significance. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/82 "2009-01-26T03:57:26Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Google PETA and the HSUS. Right off the top you get: > > [http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml](http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml) > [http://www.activistcash.com/organization\_overview.cfm/oid/136](http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136) > [http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Utopia%20on%20the%20Web/-%20LURKING%20ENEMY%20Cornutopia%20corn%20snakes%20cornsnakes.htm](http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Utopia%20on%20the%20Web/-%20LURKING%20ENEMY%20Cornutopia%20corn%20snakes%20cornsnakes.htm) > > and on and on. The HSUS _used_ to be your local humane society running the shelter, but no more. Your second cite is from a web site run by a pro-industry lobbying group. Even in the Pit you can’t get away with stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/83 "2009-01-26T04:10:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Your second cite is from a web site run by a pro-industry lobbying group. Even in the Pit you can’t get away with stuff like that. I wasn’t trying to “get away” with anything. I know very little about politics so would not recognize any lobbying group. Does this fact mean that what they have to say has to be false? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/84 "2009-01-26T04:17:46Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I wasn’t trying to “get away” with anything. I know very little about politics so would not recognize any lobbying group. Does this fact mean that what they have to say has to be false? No- chances are there’s a grain of truth to it. However, you could hardly hope to find anyone with a bigger axe to grind. ETA: When you see a page like that, read the “about us” section before you pay any attention to what they’re selling/promoting/hating. In this case, you’d see: > [@](#): > > At [ActivistCash.com](http://ActivistCash.com), we follow the money – for you. > > This site, created by the Center for Consumer Freedom, is committed to providing detailed and up-to-date information about the funding source of radical anti-consumer organizations and activists. We have analyzed over 410,000 pages of IRS documents to create this database, and new information will be added every month. > > The organizations we track on this site are tax-exempt nonprofits. That means you have the right to know what they’re up to. The same rule applies to the tax-exempt foundations that pay their bills. > > As you read through the site, you may be surprised by some of the connections between these groups and individuals, forming a web of anti-consumer activism – promoting false science, scare campaigns, inflated public health causes, and sometimes even violent anti-consumer “direct actions.” Now, to understand exactly what sort of axe they’re grinding, you have to Google “Center for Consumer Freedom”… which brings you to their [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivistCash) page (which itself redirects back to the ActivistCash page: > [@](#): > > The group was created in 1995 as the Guest Choice Network by Richard Berman, executive director of the public affairs firm Berman and Company, with $600,000 from the Philip Morris tobacco company.[2] The concept of the group, according to a letter by Richard Berman to Barbara Trach, who at the time was Philip Morris’s senior program manager for public affairs, was “to unite the restaurant and hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists …” Its purpose, according to a planning document by Berman, was to encourage operators of “restaurants, hotels, casinos, bowling alleys, taverns, stadiums, and university hospitality educators” to “support [the] mentality of ‘smokers rights’ by encouraging responsibility to protect ‘guest choice’.”[3] Internal documents from Philip Morris reveal that it donated $2.95 million to the organization between 1995 and 1998.[4] > > The Guest Choice Network argued that restaurants should be allowed to maintain smoking sections, and against restaurant-related initiatives from environmental, animal rights and anti-alcohol organizations,[5] and straightedgers.[6] In November 2001, the group expanded its criticism of activist groups with the launch of [ActivistCash.com](http://ActivistCash.com), which compiled information gathered from IRS documents and media reports, describing the funding and activities of groups it opposed, and listed key activists and celebrity links. > > In January 2002 the Guest Choice Network became the Center for Consumer Freedom, a change the group said reflected that “the anti-consumer forces [were] expanding their reach beyond restaurants and taverns [and] going into your communities and even your homes,” claiming that a broader organization was needed to act “wherever they try to take away your consumer freedom”. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/85 "2009-01-26T04:19:12Z")
Not exactly a cite, but I worked in the circus for a time, although not with Ringling. The animals I saw (lions, tigers, elephants, dogs) were treated extremely well. Doted on, even. Having had some interaction with elephants, I doubt very much that one could get one to perform acceptably through methodical abuse. They’re quite amiable animals when they like you, so there’s not much to be gained by abusing them. But they’re only amiable to a point - they can and would kill a person they seriously dislike. So you don’t piss them off. That goes double or triple for tigers. They are very unpredictable, even when trained. Anyone who abused a tiger and then locked themselves in a cage with it during performances wouldn’t last long. This is to say nothing of the investment these animals represent. Elephants and tigers ain’t cheap. To abuse one would be like taking a sledgehammer to your Porsche. Are there morons who’ve abused animals in circuses? Sure. Are animals systematically abused in circuses? Not that I’ve seen, and not in my opinion in general, unless you consider the basic premise of animals performing to be abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/86 "2009-01-26T04:23:50Z")
nevermind ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/87 "2009-01-26T04:30:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No- chances are there’s a grain of truth to it. However, you could hardly hope to find anyone with a bigger axe to grind. > > ETA: When you see a page like that, read the “about us” section before you pay any attention to what they’re selling/promoting/hating. In this case, you’d see: > > Now, to understand exactly what sort of axe they’re grinding, you have to Google “Center for Consumer Freedom”… which brings you to their [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivistCash) page (which itself redirects back to the ActivistCash page: The thing is, they say pretty much the same thing as all of the other 40 bazillion unbiased (I assume) sites say. Even those with axes to grind can still report truth without slant. Like I said, all you have to do is Google PETA and the HSUS and you’ll see essentially the same message from a wide variety of interests. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/88 "2009-01-26T04:43:55Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > The thing is, they say pretty much the same thing as all of the other 40 bazillion unbiased (I assume) sites say. Even those with axes to grind can still report truth without slant. Like I said, all you have to do is Google PETA and the HSUS and you’ll see essentially the same message from a wide variety of interests. When I googled “HSUS”, the third hit was “Hsu’s Gourmet Chinese Restaurant”. :eek: The first three pages consist of variations on the name “Hsu”, pages operated by the HSUS, and four “anti-” hits. Two of the anti- results are ActivistCash/Consumer Freedom pages (including your original link), one is some dude’s blog, and one may or may not be indicative of anything, since it’s a link to a story in the Long Beach Telegram titled “Critic Speaks Out Against Humane Society” and requires subscription. I’m not seeing much variety. \*For the record, I believe you’re probably right about HSUS, and everyone knows you’re right about PETA. I’m a little dubious about this “wide variety of interests” though. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/89 "2009-01-26T04:56:08Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’m not seeing much variety. That’s why I said the Google _PETA_ and the HSUS. The HSUS is more “underground” than PETA is, so you need to combine the two to get information on how much alike the two organizations are. > [@](#): > > \*For the record, I believe you’re probably right about HSUS, and everyone knows you’re right about PETA. I’m a little dubious about this “wide variety of interests” though. Why? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/90 "2009-01-26T05:42:35Z")
I don’t feel it’s proper to treat the circus animals the way they are treated, so I don’t go to the circus. I don’t belong to peta, and would never think of spreading my opinion to anyone in line at a circus. If you don’t like it, don’t go. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/91 "2009-01-26T05:47:59Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Wait, why would you want public executions? If I were dying, I’d be freaked out to have my last moments be publicized, with slack jawed people pointing and laughing at me. I fail to see that as a negative for an execution. I wouldn’t want to _see_ a public excecution, but I think they should exist. Because if we, as a society, think killing people is something to do, then we, as a society, should, in fact, air it openly so people know what is involved. The PETA guy was an asshole, trying to confuse a little kid. And poodles are historically german, really. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/92 "2009-01-26T05:53:55Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > And poodles are historically german, really. Really? Cool. I’d love to see more about that. Is there a citation you might be able to provide? Unrelated- If you read this thread fast it starts to sound like a complaint about kids finding out how overpaid mortgage lawyers are maltreated in the circus by clowns and Babar. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/93 "2009-01-26T06:17:48Z")
I long time ago when the crazys were throwing paint on people fur coats and blocking health clinics, a few of us mild mannered guys on motor sickles would group up and ride the ladies to where they want to go. All the protesters with their paint cans just stood and watched. They did not throw their paint on us in our leathers or the ladies in fur coats or try to stop us delivering them to the clinics. It seems their outrage was only directed at unescorted women. Fun times back then. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/94 "2009-01-26T06:19:55Z")
> [@bobo t](#): > > I don’t feel it’s proper to treat the circus animals the way they are treated, so I don’t go to the circus. > I don’t belong to peta, and would never think of spreading my opinion to anyone in line at a circus. > If you don’t like it, don’t go. That kind of wraps up my view too - if PETA members don’t like the way circus animals are treated, don’t go to the circus and certainly don’t go about trying to force others to think the “right” way. Same with any religion, children or not, married or not, sexual orientation and on and on. Why do so many folks try to force their views onto others? **Attack from the 3rd dimension** - WRT Poodles, see here [Poodle - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poodle) ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/95 "2009-01-26T06:25:03Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Really? Cool. I’d love to see more about that. Is there a citation you might be able to provide? > > Unrelated- If you read this thread fast it starts to sound like a complaint about kids finding out how overpaid mortgage lawyers are maltreated in the circus by clowns and Babar. I’m in the citing mood today. [AKC](http://www.akc.org/breeds/poodle/) says they’re German. [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poodle) confirms. Also, as a completely meaningless bit of information, in the beginning of Goethe’s _Faust_, the eponymous (German) character is followed home by a black poodle, who in fact turns out to be the devil himself (which IMO proves that Goethe knew at least a couple Poodles. Nasty buggers.) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/96 "2009-01-26T06:44:12Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > We butcher animals in the billions every year. Animals aren’t people, they are chattel. If someone is entertained by a trained elephant, then more power to them. > > The only compelling argument I have when it comes to animal cruelty is wanton abuse of animals debases the abuser, and for that reason I don’t think people should engage in it. But as animals are not human I do not feel they should have any legal rights whatsoever. > > I would still generally agree with laws against the training of fighting dogs and such, not because of any infringement on the “rights” of the dogs, but on the basis that such treatment creates extremely dangerous animals that are a threat to public safety and order. Whoosh? Are you saying that there should be no penalty for abusing animals? ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/97 "2009-01-26T07:20:36Z")
Whether the circus is mistreating animals or not, if a parent doesn’t want you talking to their kid then you shouldn’t be talking to their kid. There are plenty of more appropriate ways to oppose animal mistreatment. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/98 "2009-01-26T08:17:27Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Actually, no it isn’t Er…what? What, exactly, do you think PETA’s supporters ask/pay them to do? > [@curlcoat](#): > > I find it highly unlikely that it is true that circus animals are mistreated Actually, that’s pretty much a defining aspect of the circus. Or do you have a cite to match the two that have been offered against your position? > [@curlcoat](#): > > and the idea of beating an animal the size of an elephant into obedience is simply amazing. You’re right. That’s probably why nobody ever trained elephants before the advent of modern psychology. That’s what they use to train elephants, right? I’m asking you because you seem to be the expert. > [@curlcoat](#): > > PETA’s only goal is to make all human/animal interaction illegal or impossible. Yes…because they…hate animals? 😕 Anyway, how long have you suffered from this delusion? How, exactly, do you think a major political organization like PETA could secretly communicate its anti-animal agenda to all of its members while hiding it completely from the outside world? Do you have the slightest inkling of how a liberal political advocacy organization works? > [@curlcoat](#): > > Remember “a boy is a rat is a pig”? Dogs “set free” in traffic? Strays “adopted”, killed in a van and dumped in a dumpster? PETA is no advocate for humane treatment of animals. I don’t, but if you have non-loony cites, I might not write it off as the ravings of a lunatic. > [@curlcoat](#): > > This is debateable, at least the chicken farming. The text of the law is publically available if you doubt me. > [@curlcoat](#): > > That kind of wraps up my view too - if PETA members don’t like the way circus animals are treated, don’t go to the circus and certainly don’t go about trying to force others to think the “right” way. Same with any religion, children or not, married or not, sexual orientation and on and on. Why do so many folks try to force their views onto others? Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. But since you asked a question, I’ll try to answer it, as a liberal activist (for mostly-unrelated causes). Basically, widespread, comprehensive political education on the individual level is extremely important in a democracy. If people are educated about the issues, they have more power to make their own decisions. They may not make the exact decisions that we, the activists/educators, want them to, but they’ll make _informed_ decisions. Once an individual voter has the facts, s/he may well decide to continue to support, say, the circus, or Coca-Cola, or Nike, or whatever, and that’s his/her prerogative. But that person also has the right to know the facts, so we (as activists/educators) make sure we’re out there to tell them the facts, as we see them. Our presentation of the facts may be biased, but the point is that it may turn someone on to something they had never thought about before, and hopefully that person will start doing the research on it. That person may end up making one decision or another, but at least s/he is (hopefully) a little more educated than s/he was when the conversation first started. As for biased information, it’s important to look at the motives and biases of the people you get your information from, and not just accept the first thing you see as the gospel truth. I noticed that you assigned a lot of importance to which three websites came first in your search. More often than not, when contentious issues and/or monied interests are at play, the websites that come first are the ones with Search Engine Optimization, a euphemistically named set of technical hacks that the owners of that information paid someone to implement for them; and/or the owners of that information just paid someone to put their links first. The people who want you to believe outlandish things about activist organizations and charities–because making people believe these things is good for their bottom line–often have more money to spend, and will gladly spend it on fooling you. That’s how Prop 8 got passed, you know. (Except for the bottom-line part; the proposition wasn’t really good for anyone financially. But you get the gist.) Hostile Dialect, Hostile Dialect, Narcissist ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/99 "2009-01-26T11:12:55Z")
> [@Hostile\_Dialect](#): > > I don’t, but if you have non-loony cites, I might not write it off as the ravings of a lunatic. You don’t remember this? [http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news\_detail.cfm?headline=2833](http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm?headline=2833) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945/100 "2009-01-26T11:26:33Z")
You don’t remember the dogs collected from shelters and killed, Hostile? It was fairly large news. [http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8N1U67G0.html](http://www.wvec.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8N1U67G0.html) Hundreds in this case alone, if I remember right. They promised they’d get them adopted. Instead, they killed the pets in the back of a van and tossed the bodies in a dumpster. > **[Ingrid Newkirk - Wikiquote](https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ingrid_Newkirk)** > [@](#): > > Animal liberationists do not separate out the human animal, so there is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They are all mammals > > ``` > * Vogue 1989 September 1 > * Attributed variants: > o "When it comes to having a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain, hunger, and thirst, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy" > o "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals." — Washingtonian magazine, 1986 August 1 > > ``` While this is a biased website, this _appears_ to be a legit filing of PETA’s. Saying they killed 1815 animals in '07. [http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf](http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf) I don’t remember setting dogs free in traffic. I do remember them letting minks free, which promptly killed all the wildlife in the area. Minks are vicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-big-ol-fuck-you-to-the-peta-jackass-at-the-circus/482945.md?page=6)