A bit aggressive with the Moderating

The majority of the moderators and administrators here are very busy. They have jobs, families, other interests. They truly exemplify (in the main) the old adage that if you want something done you should ask a busy person.

And there’s the rub. As Dexter and many other board officials have made plain time and again, they don’t have time to read threads. What this means of course is that they rely to a very large extent on a network of members to tip them off. Thus, the key question to ask becomes not “How does the moderator decide upon a particualr action” as “Who has the ear of the respective moderators”. “Respective”, as different moderators will of course operate using different networks.

Any poster has the ear of the moderators in a particular forum simply by clicking “Report This Post” in a post in that forum. All of you are the network.

:: shocked look ::

Of course. All animals are equal on the SDMB farm.

:: canters back to his paddock ::

Yeah, that’s the bottom line. It’s true, that sometimes the moderating is uneven – we can’t read every post, we rely heavily on the REPORT function, and that means that some people might seem to “get away” with something while someone else is caught. I guess I think of it as analogous to speeding: not every speeder gets caught, it depends on whether the cop is looking.
The point is that, if something bothers you, report it.

Actually, I would be rather surprised to discover that any Mod dismissed reports from one poster while jumping at the opportunity to respond to another. I get and respond to reports from posters with whom I have recently crossed cursors all the time. It would be pointless to ignore them, given that there are very few solitary voices on this board. If Poster A has been offended by a post, the odds are good that several others have been, as well. This does not mean that I agree with and respond to every report: sometimes it appears that a poster has taken umbrage where none was intended; sometimes I simply disagree with their analysis of the situation.
However, a Mod who spent all of his or her time siding with one group against another while Moderating would pretty quickly find himself or herself being called to the Pit on a regular basis.

I make no claim that is has never happened, but I have not seen any evidence (beyond snarky comments) that would support that view.

Back when I was a moderator, there were some members (a great many, in fact) whose complaints I never responded to. I suspect this is still true today. This is for the simple reason that there are a great many members who never complain. Yes, there is somewhat of a “network” of specific posters who have the mods’ ears, but that network is self-selected. If you want to be one of the ones the moderators listen to, talk to them. Bingo, you’re in the network. The majority of the SDMB is not in the network, but that’s only because they choose not to be.

Right, the way it’s worded is that asking- or even giving- isn’t against the letter or the rules. However, it’s clear to me that asking for specific advice of the type that only a MD should answer is wrong.

So- it looks to me like “what OTC headache medication do you take for a sinus headache?” isn’t against the rules, but saying “I have a sinus infection- any way I can get free medical advice and not go see a Doctor?” is wrong- and stupid.

On the other hand, they don’t pay the Moderators much around here :smiley: so I’m inclined to give 'em a break. :wink:

An honest appraisal (praise be!), not merely an attempt to play with words (and minds). (And though I quote a snippet out of context, I have taken it in context.) But even so (allowing for the context), this is still to simplify things and ignore the psychology of groups, the desire to be associated with the “in” posters, and the unspoken - but for that not less, but more powerful - pressure to conformity.

Perhaps it takes an outsider such as me (non-Yank, non-liberal, non-agnostic/atheist/Unitarian Universalist*/Episcopalian) to fully appreciate these things. Much of the badinage in the Pit is to my mind disappointing, being for the most part highly choreographed, and involving little of true discussion, where iron sharpens iron. Respect is key, and must of course be earned. Yet I feel that on occasion it is beyond earning, too hard to earn, because it must overcome the insurmountable obstacle of public opinion. At its best, relationships made at the Dope can turn into friendships, but true friendships (friendships that have the potential to last) will only result from honesty and the courage to hold onto honestly held opinions. It might be said of many good friendships that they begin in disagreement and mature in argument. Maturation instantiated in conversion, epiphany or a Cultural Revolution style self-criticism should set alarm bells ringing. The line between honest change of mind and self-abasement to please the in-group is a thin one.

Sometimes a member is acquitted in the court of SDMB public opinion, but I for one am left shaking my head from the public gallery as to how they came to be on trial in the first place.

  • Still clueless as to what this is

And I’m clueless as to what you just said. It makes my head hurt.

Don’t post drunk, son! :slight_smile:

It’s an interesting thing about the SDMB, a site where indirectness, implicitness and in-jokes are not unknown and where posters are held, not without reason, to be of above-average intelliegence and inferencing skills, that whenever a poster makes critical comments about things, he will be met with a response of “I don’t understand”.

Roger. Let’s do this step by step.

You first popped into this thread and said

NO, the key question is NOT WHO has the ear. Anyone who has the brains to hit that triangle with the exclamation point in the upper right hand corner of the post in question has the ultimate power. Are you suggesting that mods/Admins favor some posters over others? I take all reports seriously. I ignore some, I act on those that I agree with. But I don’t give a damn WHO pressed the button.

Your next comment, in respose to This Year’s Model saying just what I said above, sounded as though you disagreed.

So, you think mods/Admins treat people who report bad posts according to a ranking scale? Not in my experience, but perhaps you know better. tomndebb agreed with me in his post. Or rather I’m agreeing with him. And finally, Chronos, a former moderator who would probably be judged about as even-handed as you can be in moderating, says just what I’ve said—If you hit the button to report a post, bingo, you’re in the group of “in” posters. Not much of a cabal there.

You then decided to run with a selected phrase from Chronos’ post. And I truly don’t understand what point you were trying to make in that post.

I apologize for making light of that post. It was the first post in this thread that I just couldn’t follow.

I saw a Moderator once.

I was in a bar, getting a little lubrication after a hard day at the office. Suddenly the background chatter died away to a hushed silence. I turned my head, and there, framed in the doorway, stood a magnificent figure of a man. He slowly surveyed the patrons of the bar, riding crop gently tapping against his jackboot, his piercing blue eyes resting for a moment on each, and each seemed to visibly shrink beneath his gaze. There was no mistaking it, I thought dizzily, this was a Moderator! The chiselled jaw, the devilishly handsome features, the ‘sneer of cold command’ playing about the mouth. Time seemed frozen as all present wondered just whom the moderator sought, just as all prayed fervently that he sought not them.

Suddenly, at another entrance, appeared the most stunningly beautiful woman I had ever seen in my life. Seeing the Moderator she smiled, and every man’s heart save one broke, in the knowledge that that smile would never be turned on them. She strode across the room, and watching that gorgeous body in motion I could think only of Herrick’s lines

Whenas in silks my Julia goes
Then, then methinks, how sweetly flows
The liquefaction of her clothes.

The female Moderator, for such of course she was, spoke softly to the male, bringing a wintry smile to his lips. Then, with a magnificent toss of her auburn locks and a thrust of her ample bosom, she was gone. The man surveyed us once again, as who should say, “Yeah, in your dreams, losers!”, and, turning a scornful back to us, followed his mate into the night.

I got well and truly plastered that night and staggered home to bed. In dreams, at least, I could walk with the Gods.

(Mods: put my check in the mail as usual).

Samclem, I appreciate your taking the time to try to comprehend what I was trying to say. Given your screen name and your high standing here, I would expect nothing less. The things I cherish most dearly and the problems I see (rightly or wrongly) in institutions are not always those that others cherish or see. One way to get around this, since the desire to communicate, to change things, will not be quenched (in this I am perhaps little different from the average “serious-Doper”), is to use a more indirect approach, as favoured down the ages by satirists. One drawback of this approach is that it can be a bit hit and miss; another, assuredly, that, unless one starts a new thread - which is contrary to the satirist’s instincts, since he typically needs something to work off - he ends up not exactly aligned with the topic at hand! But implicitness, allusiveness, indirectness - even ambiguity - is the hallmark of the best writing as well as the worst.

Mr. Thornhill, you may think you were witty and clever. In actuality, you were neither. To the extent that anyone has deciphered any criticism from what you said, you were apparently wrong, too. :rolleyes:

Now, if you would care to stop your unsuccessful efforts at wit and satire, at which you are no Jonathan Swift, let alone Orwell, and offer a less camoflaged criticism, perhaps someone could address your concerns. :smack:

DS, thanks for sparing the time to let me have your opinion.

A touch! A touch! I do confess I bleed…

Another for the iggy list…

A touch! A touch! I do confess I bleed…

Another for the iggy list…

A touch! A touch! I do confess I bleed…

Another for the iggy list…

Do I get to choose her or do you? If I, then I choose “worst.” “Best” would be if people understood your point.

Perhaps, Sam, there is truth in the old saying that Britain and America are two countries separated by a common language.

Speaking of things we understand not, what on earth’s an iggy list. Must be of some importance, as it’s considered necessary to repeat it twice.