# A blow against Fred Phelps **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 15, 2001, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892 "2001-09-15T22:29:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/161 "2001-09-23T07:22:15Z")
Libertarian, I’m not even sure who Jared is. His surname hasn’t been given out, and if the paper wouldn’t print it they probably have a reason. But I’ll see what I can do. Sounds as if he was a young person and I have several teens who are coworkers. Maybe they have some information. To change the subject, when I donated today to the Topeka AIDS Project I asked if they minded my sending a notice to Phred and Co. that I had done so. I’ll wait to see what they say. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/162 "2001-09-23T12:37:08Z")
**KarlGauss** Thank you! You’ve come to the right place. As the page says, enroll here. If you care to state an amount, I’ll enter it. Meantime, you’re in! **Baker** Thanks. If John concurs, perhaps you could contact the reporter who wrote that editorial and inform him of our project. Ask him to contact Jared and inform him. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/163 "2001-09-23T13:40:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Alas, I learned that our bid for threadspotting status was rejected due to either volume or priority. Apparently, making fun of Ikea is more critical to the goal of fighting ignorance than what we are trying to do. > > It’s a shame. > > In fact, I notice than an awful lot of the board’s “heavyweights” aren’t checking in: Gaudere, Spiritus, David B, Jab, the Admins, Tris, Poly, RT, and that evolution guy, what is it, Bob or something?\*\* This is vile. Lib, please join me [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=88948) in the Pit where these tactics can be discussed without interrupting the thread. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/164 "2001-09-23T14:47:36Z")
Fenris is right, guys. I think it’s time that I became less and John became more. I’m going to maintain the page and the data from pledges made here until such time as it needs to be moved or until John assigns the permanent duty to me. I got so wrapped up in the notion that we might _actually_ be able to _do_ something about those lunatics that I lost my perspective. My apologies to Gaudere, Spiritus, David B, Jab, the Admins, Tris, Poly, RT, and that evolution guy, what is it, Bob or something. Much love to all of you for your willingness to fight the good fight. I’m going to just sit back and offer my opinions from time to time. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/165 "2001-09-23T15:02:17Z")
**Lib** , as I said in the other thread, yer a classy guy. (and the “evolution guy” is **Ben** 😉 ) Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/166 "2001-09-23T15:05:36Z")
[…slapping forehead…] Dammit. That’s right. My _double_ apologies to Ben. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/167 "2001-09-23T18:23:51Z")
I’ve taken down the hate to love web page because of a complaint in ATMB. Awaiting instructions… ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/168 "2001-09-23T18:46:31Z")
Agh! Nooo… I’ve sent that address out in my PR inquiries! ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/169 "2001-09-23T18:59:20Z")
My instructions are in ATMB. But it may already be too late. Oh Lib, understand that not everyone is consumed by quite the fervour **you** feel _at exactly the same moment you feel it._ It would help in achieving stuff, I suspect it would help with your stress levels, and it would help with me not tearing my hair out. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/170 "2001-09-23T19:05:37Z")
I’m just completely defeated. Mentally, emotionally, and physically. The more I care about this, the more I get hurt. I’ll do whatever John instructs me to until such time as I am banned. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/171 "2001-09-23T22:01:23Z")
To John Corrado: I have sent you an email with enquiries pertinent to this thread. I think we all would like to know what may(or may not)happen. As I said in the email, I KNOW you are very busy right now, but please helps us out. I really have been doing what I can and it’s getting a little confusing. And, like Arden Ranger, I have already sent this site address out to a number of places. Let us know when you can, please? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/172 "2001-09-23T22:29:10Z")
**Baker** , the solution is simple. Remove any references and/or links to _The Straight Dope_, while leaving the remainder of the text intact **until such time as text pertaining to _The Straight Dope_ can be approved by _The Chicago Reader_’s legal department for possible inclusion on the site.** I honestly fail to see what’s so hard to grasp about that. The site does not need to associate itself with _The Straight Dope_ in order to get its very valid and meaningful message across. * * * Jeg elsker dig, Thomas ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/173 "2001-09-23T22:37:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shayna \* > **I honestly fail to see what’s so hard to grasp about that. The site does not need to associate itself with _The Straight Dope_ in order to get its very valid and meaningful message across.** That’s not the problem, Shayna. The problem _I_am having is that I sent the link to Lib’s site out with the PR inquiries I sent out last week. Now, the site is no longer there. At all. There is just a message there that says “Remeoved out of Fear” that is not going to look good to the people I sent it to last week when they hit it Monday morning. Note : Coding fixed. - E. [Edited by Eutychus55 on 09-23-2001 at 06:17 PM] ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/174 "2001-09-23T22:39:08Z")
Good god. Please forgive the coding and spelling errors in that previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/175 "2001-09-23T22:59:11Z")
I understand that, **Arden**. But for that you need to talk to **Lib** directly, as he’s the one with the content and ability to restore it or not. If he’s willing to turn over the password and the text file for the site to someone else, then there’s no reason why it can’t be restored without reference to _The Straight Dope_, pending approval of links to here by the legal department. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/176 "2001-09-23T23:00:03Z")
Dammit. Right now I would really like to bop Lib very hard on the head. I’m not mad, just really really disappointed. Someone give me a holler if/when this mess is straightened out. Or if I can help straighten it out. I don’t speak web or HTML, but if there’s something I can do to get this rolling again, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/177 "2001-09-23T23:39:54Z")
There’s just one more thing I want to say for now in this particular thread and then I am going to avoid it for a while. We are all a little sad at the way things have gone here but it’s time to get back on the horse and ride again. Don’t let this disappointment sour you on the Straight Dope experience as a whole. I still plan on proselytizing for it among my friends(I’m just going to steer them to the funny stuff first) I love this place. Some weeks it is the most fun I have. To quote Tiny Tim “God bless us every one” (I wasn’t witnessing, I swear!) ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/178 "2001-09-23T23:43:56Z")
Might I respectfully suggest that this project keep on going but that you set up a mailing list to keep everyone informed on what’s going on. That way the project keeps going and it keeps the Straight Dope insulated. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2001, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/179 "2001-09-23T23:55:19Z")
I have the time and knowledge, I think, to keep the page updated, unless there are languages being used on it that are unknown to me . . . and I do believe the page as a whole is small enough to fit on my angelfire account, if **Libertarian** would rather do it that way. I don’t know, so I’m asking. And as for the email list idea . . . well, Hell, while I’m volunteering myself for things, if people want to email me with the header “Phelps Project” or something and give me email and name (IRL and/or SDMB) and anything else they like, such as geographic area, I can either handle that or give it to **John Corrado** , as he’s officially heading the overall operation. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2001, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892/180 "2001-09-24T01:21:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Baker \* > **To quote Tiny Tim “God bless us every one” (I wasn’t witnessing, I swear!)** \ I thought Tiny Tim said \ Tiptoe, through the tulips! \ and so forth. Fenris [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-blow-against-fred-phelps/81892.md?page=10)