# A brush with Nazism **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 3, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402 "2007-10-03T16:34:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/21 "2015-10-06T17:56:39Z")
We should not forget that there once lived two other sisters called Karoline and Charlotte Jellinek. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/22 "2015-10-06T18:07:44Z")
One of the Israelis murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics was named David Berger. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![ItsJustJohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@ItsJustJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsJustJohn)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/23 "2024-08-31T16:11:15Z")
Hello, I stumbled upon your post regarding the Jellinek sisters. I am researching Jewish families in Burgenland - the Jellinek sisters came from Neusiedl am See. They made it to England, and lived in Hampstead and Camden until their death - Charlotte 1987, aged 81 and Karoline 1974, aged 75. Do you still happen to have the letters sent to your grandfather in 1938/39? This would be very compelling information given that the family business in Neusiedl am See had been stolen by the Nazis and they fled to Vienna desperately looking for ways of escaping. Many thanks! ---
**Author:** ![ItsJustJohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@ItsJustJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsJustJohn)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/24 "2024-08-31T16:25:33Z")
Researching the fate of these sisters further - discovered that Karoline and Charlotte Jellinek made it to England and did not perish in Maly Trostnik. Karoline’s date of birth was 29 Oct 1898 and she passed away in Hampstead in 1974 and Charlotte 6 July 1906 passed away in Camden 1987. I would like to know where they are buried. Any information very welcome! ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/25 "2024-08-31T17:29:11Z")
How did you do that !?!??! Anyway, this thread was started in 2007, and the original poster hasn’t posted here since 2019 … (maybe he’ll come back now his thread has been resurrected !) (Welcome to the SDMB, btw !) ---
**Author:** ![ItsJustJohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@ItsJustJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsJustJohn)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/26 "2024-09-01T12:11:20Z")
Deep research in available official archives, as well as online data searches can sometimes yield remarkable discoveries. Since the Jellinek sisters lived in Neusiedl am See, Burgenland—where my mother and her family also fled from—I am eager to fill in some gaps about their lives in the UK. Here’s what I know so far: Karolina and Charlotte were known as the Jelinek sisters in Neusiedl am See. They ran a modest haberdashery selling items like buttons, needles, threads, wool yarns, ribbons, clasps, buckles, and other small sewing supplies. The sisters lived together and owned two small houses with a garden and a vineyard. With the annexation of Austria by Nazi Germany on March 12, 1938, the Jelinek sisters, like all Jewish residents of Neusiedl am See were stripped of shop and their possessions and forced to leave their hometown. They moved to Vienna. A year later, on March 13, 1939, Charlotte and Karoline arrived in England and most likely worked in domestic service. They initially lived at 45 Larkhall Rise, London, before moving to 31 Greencroft Gardens, London N.W. 6 in 1957. I’d love to know if this was also where they worked, or was just a rental, and it would be interesting to know whether they maintained their Jewish cultural identity. They managed to live together and became British citizens in 1951. From 1950 to at least 1957, the sisters received support from the National Assistance Board in London, which means they did not earn very much from service. After 1957, they had little or no income, and job opportunities for women in their 60s were scarce. The death records for Karoline is Hampstead Vol/Page 5B 2048 and for Charlotte is Camden Vol/Page 14 1437 Does anyone know how to find the graves? Was it a Jewish burial? Cremation? ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/27 "2024-09-01T19:18:23Z")
Just in case it wasn’t clear, when i said “How did you do that !?”, i was referring to you posting twice, and discourse adding “This is the first time ItsJustJohn has posted — let’s welcome them to our community!” (as it always does with new members) - but to your second post !! Anyway… i’m not sure the subjects of this thread are the same as the one’s you’re referring to. From a post above :- > [@Wallenstein](#): > > Karoline Jellinek was born in 1879. During the war she was in Wien, Austria. Deported with Transport from Wien to Maly trostinec on 14/09/1942. Karoline perished in 1942 in Maly Trostinec, Belorussia (USSR). This information is based on a List of victims from Austria found in the Namentliche Erfassung der oesterreichischen Holocaustopfer, Dokumentationsarchiv des oesterreichischen Widerstandes (Documentation Centre for Austrian Resistance), Wien. > > [Note: There is no “Charlotte Jellinek” listed, so maybe she did make it out after all. I hope so.] Note that the link in that post no longer works, but the “Documentation Centre for Austrian Resistance” mentioned appears to still be available. ([here](https://www.doew.at/english)) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/28 "2024-09-01T19:50:25Z")
@Quartz ---
**Author:** ![ItsJustJohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@ItsJustJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsJustJohn)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/29 "2024-09-05T12:02:55Z")
Researching the fate of these sisters further - discovered that Karoline and Charlotte Jellinek made it to England and did not perish in Maly Trostinec. Quartz, do you still have those letters? Karoline’s date of birth was 29 Oct 1898 and she passed away in Hampstead in 1974 and Charlotte 6 July 1906 passed away in Camden 1987. I would like to know where they are buried. Any information very welcome! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/30 "2024-09-05T12:38:39Z")
@Quartz 's last post here was nearly five years ago, but maybe he’ll get an email or something about this. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/31 "2024-09-05T13:27:12Z")
The Find a Grave website has details of Karoline’s burial. [Karoline Jelinek Jellinek (1898-1974) - Find a Grave Memorial](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/256089468/karoline-jellinek) ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/32 "2024-09-05T16:43:08Z")
> [@pjd](#): > > Just in case it wasn’t clear, when i said “How did you do that !?”, i was referring to you > posting twice, and discourse adding “This is the first time ItsJustJohn has posted — let’s welcome them to our community!” (as it always does with new members) - but to your second post !! When I read your comment I also assumed you were asking how @ItsJustJohn had tracked the sisters down - “Good,” I thought, “Because I was wondering that as well.”, So, to @ItsJustJohn - nice detective work; and to @APB - likewise. j ---
**Author:** ![ItsJustJohn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@ItsJustJohn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsJustJohn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402/33 "2024-09-07T21:45:44Z")
Thank you for locating Karoline APB! Now to find Charlotte Jellinek’s grave! Her last know address 10 St. Stephens Clo Malden Rd London, died 22 June 1987. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-brush-with-nazism/421402.md?page=1)