# A challenge to any Christian: before condemning me to hell, go get waterboarded **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 23, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935 "2011-05-23T19:03:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/81 "2011-05-24T15:33:24Z")
At least one Christian poster around here (Friar Ted?) has expressed glee at the thought of evildoers suffering eternally in hell. It is a much more common experience in real life, at least as far as I am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/82 "2011-05-24T15:38:01Z")
> [@Omegaman](#): > > Well, I beg your humble forgiveness. I am but one man who subscribes to my own truth, but when you cast aspersions on religion in general, it appears you cast judgment upon all. I didn’t cast aspersions on religion, I cast aspersions on pushy religionists. > [@](#): > > I would like to believe this is not the case. Although many of your previous posts contradict that sentiment. No they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/83 "2011-05-24T15:41:10Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I note your almost, but no-one who takes the bible literally should believe that hell is a place of eternal torment. Hell (as a place of eternal torment) is not in the Bible at all. It’s an extra-Biblical Christian construct. That doesn’t mean it’s not a commonly believed one. > [@](#): > > I went to churches of several denominations before my apostasy, and I don’t think I ever encountered that teaching. That includes evangelical churches. This was, however, in the UK, and things may be different here. My understanding is that it’s a predominantly catholic view that people with no great knowledge of christianity assign to most christians, and that catholicism is hardly literalist about the bible. I’m open to correction on either of those points though. Fire and Brimstone is big in the US. > [@](#): > > I’ve heard it said many times that christians believe all non-christians will burn forever, but rarely by practising christians. You should go to a Southern Baptist church sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/84 "2011-05-24T15:49:52Z")
> [@boozilu](#): > > After 12 years of Catholic school (in the US) and still going to Church (I KNOW!), I can tell you that I was taught that Hell was being without God and Heaven was being with God. The RCC acknowledges both separation fro God and “eternal fire”: > [@](#): > > Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire! > > The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs. [Catechism 1034, 1035](http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2O.HTM) ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/85 "2011-05-24T15:51:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I didn’t cast aspersions on religion, I cast aspersions on pushy religionists. > > No they don’t. I cordially invite you to eat my shorts. M.F. please. You hate on religion while sending your children to a Catholic school. I respect your opinion but, really mofo, be serious. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/86 "2011-05-24T15:53:40Z")
> [@Omegaman](#): > > I cordially invite you to eat my shorts. > > M.F. please. > > You hate on religion while sending your children to a Catholic school. This is false. You can’t cite an example of me bashing religion. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/87 "2011-05-24T18:16:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This is false. You can’t cite an example of me bashing religion. Whatever. You can deny it till’ the camels come home but mother fucker please. I’m not going to waste my time searching for that shit on this piece of shit search engine. Face fucking facts, If you say it, it must be true. Buck Up, Happy Camper, I’ll die, You’ll die. I’ll see you fucking there. End of Fucking Story. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/88 "2011-05-24T18:36:12Z")
> [@Omegaman](#): > > Whatever. You can deny it till’ the camels come home but mother fucker please. > > I’m not going to waste my time searching for that shit on this piece of shit search engine. > > Face fucking facts, If you say it, it must be true. You’re a fucking liar, dude. Don’t bear false witness. You’re breaking one of the Ten Commandments. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/89 "2011-05-24T19:43:31Z")
> [@Omegaman](#): > > I suspect, and I won’t know till I get there, being without God is hell. So far, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/90 "2011-05-24T19:46:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You’re a fucking liar, dude. Don’t bear false witness. You’re breaking one of the Ten Commandments. Whatever. I admit I don’t that’s what’s coming. We will see~~~ do you disagree? Personally, I look forward to, A life free of all that is carried with ones past. What one has done,Whether it be all the hatred and violence that one has perpetrated or the few kind actions. All will be revealed. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/91 "2011-05-24T19:52:03Z")
> [@Omegaman](#): > > Whatever. I admit I don’t that’s what’s coming. > > We will see~~~ do you disagree? > > Personally, I look forward to, > > A life free of all that is carried with ones past. > > What one has done,Whether it be all the hatred and violence that one has perpetrated or the few kind actions. > > All will be revealed. Actually, you’d never know if there is an afterlife. You’ll die, your brain will shut off and you’ll be permanently and utterly ended. Unaware and forever unthinking. That’s one of the advantages of theism. You can lead your life in devotion to a moronic delusion, and you never get to know how utterly wrong you were. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/92 "2011-05-24T19:56:10Z")
> [@irae](#): > > So far, not so much. See you there, Bitch My Baby. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/93 "2011-05-24T19:56:22Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > In addition, every non-Christian ever lived or who will ever live is condemned to be in this hell forever, no questions asked. Well, to be fair, the Catholic church doesn’t teach that. I have issues with a lot of things about Catholicism, but that’s a falsehood. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yep, and seen two of 'em in as many days. Oh yeah? Let’s see them. I want links. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/94 "2011-05-24T20:22:34Z")
> [@LilyoftheField](#): > > BPC is referring to the thread wherein classylady was horrified and appalled when she interpreted a comment made to her as expressing a wish that she would die. And yet just a few posts later, she blithely assures another poster that there’s a place reserved in hell for him/her. So, apparently she believes that wishing a person dead is hateful and evil, but wishing them to an eternity of torture is totally okay. Because it was God’s idea, I guess? Yeah, the OP seems like passive aggressive pitting of **classyladyhp** since she’s been flinging the “there’s a place reserved in hell” line all over certain threads. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/95 "2011-05-24T20:41:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Actually, you’d never know if there is an afterlife. You’ll die, your brain will shut off and you’ll be permanently and utterly ended. Unaware and forever unthinking. > > That’s one of the advantages of theism. You can lead your life in devotion to a moronic delusion, and you never get to know how utterly wrong you were. True dat. Born ready is all I can say. The one advantage to me is thinking of others before myself. nothing else to add, really. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/96 "2011-05-24T20:56:18Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > At least one Christian poster around here (Friar Ted?) has expressed glee at the thought of evildoers suffering eternally in hell. It is a much more common experience in real life, at least as far as I am concerned. That’s not how I remember it. I thought he said he would find it funny to see atheists who declare with 100% certainty that there is no God pee their pants at the sight of Him. I assumed it was with the understanding that they would all get into Heaven anyway. I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/97 "2011-05-24T22:01:41Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > That’s not how I remember it. I thought he said he would find it funny to see atheists who declare with 100% certainty that there is no God pee their pants at the sight of Him. I assumed it was with the understanding that they would all get into Heaven anyway. > > I could be wrong. Not even “declare with 100% certainty” - there are some atheists here who’ve loudly proclaimed that if God did turn out to exist they would kick the old fucker in the balls, and it was them that Friar Ted amusedly speculated on the possibility of their peeing themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/98 "2011-05-24T22:07:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Actually, you’d never know if there is an afterlife. You’ll die, your brain will shut off and you’ll be permanently and utterly ended. Unaware and forever unthinking. > > That’s one of the advantages of theism. You can lead your life in devotion to a moronic delusion, and you never get to know how utterly wrong you were. By the way, Peace My Brother. Life is to short for hate. There’s plenty of time for that. 🙂 Later ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/99 "2011-05-25T03:55:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And I don’t think we really HAVE any hellfire and brimstone evangelical posters here nowadays. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yes, but we have some bad trolls. 😕 So, Mr. Been-Here-Three-Days, I don’t think we’ve been properly introduced. Tell us about all the lurking you did before signing up, that you’re knowledgeable enough to make that assertion (and yet somehow NOT knowledgeable enough to avoid issuing your challenge to _all_ Christians, many of whom do not accept the existence of a Dante-esque _Inferno_). IME, most of our trolls are pretty harmless, however annoying they might be. Welcome to the Dope, btw. Even if your OP _is_ kinda dumb. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935/100 "2011-05-25T04:02:07Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I wasn’t talking about you. > [@Omegaman](#): > > Well, I beg your humble forgiveness. I don’t think it’s really, uhh, _perspicacious_ to hold onto the idea that anything of **Dio** ’s can be described as “humble,” particularly his forgiveness… 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-challenge-to-any-christian-before-condemning-me-to-hell-go-get-waterboarded/582935.md?page=6)